The subtle transformation into fascist America.

[purpahurl]

These ten points sound exactly like what the liberals are trying to do.

[rhertz]

I see things drifting more towards a subtle transformation into socialist America with increasing entitlements. In other words, we are becoming more like Canada each day. I still see the US as a place where anyone can succeed with hard work and integrity. But success is not free or guaranteed to anyone. If I'm not willing to work or earn a degree and find myself as a lower class citizen, who's fault is that? Just because someone chooses to be in a lower class, doesn't mean they live in a fascist government. There is only so much government can do to educate and motivate someone to succeed.

[BrainSmashR]

I just love when liberals reference foreign sources when describing our country. It makes it so much easier to identify the main problem behind their misunderstandings and lack of knowledge.

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

I just love when liberals reference foreign sources when describing our country. It makes it so much easier to identify the main problem behind their misunderstandings and lack of knowledge.

I'm not a liberal, far from it.

The Guardian is also a well-publicized and respected source of information, even for many Americans who enjoy the luxury of seeing our own country from an outside perspective. Britain is not exempt from witnessing the bull**** that goes on in our country; but the sad thing is, most of us are.

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Santabot

I'm not a liberal, far from it.

The Guardian is also a well-publicized and respected source of information, even for many Americans who enjoy the luxury of seeing our own country from an outside perspective. Britain is not exempt from witnessing the bull**** that goes on in our country; but the sad thing is, most of us are.

So is the New York Times....taht doesn't mean it isn't a biased piece of crap too.

Hey kid, did it ever occur to you that what you consider "bull****" , is what the voting majorty of the country want?

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

So is the New York Times....taht doesn't mean it isn't a biased piece of crap too.

Hey kid, did it ever occur to you that what you consider "bull****" , is what the voting majorty of the country want?

The majority would agree when the mass media is the same affecting all, where corporate entities control the minds and votes of the majority of Americans in their daily lives, because they truthfully believe the so-called "experts" who are almost unanimously claimed by the government's payroll and limits.

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Santabot

The majority would agree when the mass media is the same affecting all, where corporate entities control the minds and votes of the majority of Americans in their daily lives, because they truthfully believe the so-called "experts" who are almost unanimously claimed by the government's payroll and limits.

Well only a 17 year old fool would think the majority of Americans are so stupid that they can't think for themselves...

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by rhertz

I see things drifting more towards a subtle transformation into socialist America with increasing entitlements. In other words, we are becoming more like Canada each day. I still see the US as a place where anyone can succeed with hard work and integrity. But success is not free or guaranteed to anyone. If I'm not willing to work or earn a degree and find myself as a lower class citizen, who's fault is that? Just because someone chooses to be in a lower class, doesn't mean they live in a fascist government. There is only so much government can do to educate and motivate someone to succeed.

Agreed, and I've seen it the same in seeing our country evolve into a more socialist democracy like Canada, but the difference is our government still claims we're entirely free, so the people who are reasonably affected by mass media still truly believe they're free, even though they live in white socialist America, rename the republican party to the Nazi party and see how many people disagree, but if you look at the similarities in all aspects, there's almost no difference in the two.

Although I disagree on the part of education, a lot of people are unable to get free education, whereas Canadians are all able to go to university, despite their economic class. Here, we just are willing to pay welfare checks and stick people into holes and not hear from them again, as long as they don't shoot at us and commit heinous crimes, which the act of secluding them just makes it a necessity to look towards theft as a legitimate source of living.

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by Santabot

even though they live in white socialist America

You may have had a point once upon a time 50+ years ago. But today socialism is color blind in America.

Originally Posted by Santabot

Although I disagree on the part of education, a lot of people are unable to get free education, whereas Canadians are all able to go to university, despite their economic class. Here, we just are willing to pay welfare checks and stick people into holes and not hear from them again, as long as they don't shoot at us and commit heinous crimes, which the act of secluding them just makes it a necessity to look towards theft as a legitimate source of living.

Your joking right? Do you know how many government programs there are for educating and training the young and poor? The only thing we do not do is put a gun to everyone's head and tell them what their job will be like in the old Soviet Union. In America we can lead someone to water, but we cannot make them drink.

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by rhertz

Your joking right? Do you know how many government programs there are for educating and training the young and poor? The only thing we do not do is put a gun to everyone's head and tell them what their job will be like in the old Soviet Union. In America we can lead someone to water, but we cannot make them drink.

Sure, join the military and die for your education.

[Al Swearengen]

Originally Posted by Santabot

Sure, join the military and die for your education.

One need not even do that to get an education. All ya have to do is apply for somethin called "FAFSA"...sure, you'll end up with some hefty student loans to pay off, but you'll be a degreed professional. And if your grades are REALLY good, you'll qualify for scholarships or grants, which ya dont even need to pay back!

Now, as for joinin the military and dyin for your education, you could die any damn day and NOT receive education benefits. Besides, military service should be compulsory here as it is in Israel. I believe everyone should be required to fullfill their obligation as a condition of citizenship, everyone should have to make the commitment, which is only fair. You should be willin to forfeit your life in the service of our great country if necessary (though as General Patton said, its far better to make the enemy die for HIS country), so that future generations can enjoy the same freedoms that you did.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

One need not even do that to get an education. All ya have to do is apply for somethin called "FAFSA"...sure, you'll end up with some hefty student loans to pay off, but you'll be a degreed professional. And if your grades are REALLY good, you'll qualify for scholarships or grants, which ya dont even need to pay back!

Now, as for joinin the military and dyin for your education, you could die any damn day and NOT receive education benefits. Besides, military service should be compulsory here as it is in Israel. I believe everyone should be required to fullfill their obligation as a condition of citizenship, everyone should have to make the commitment, which is only fair. You should be willin to forfeit your life in the service of our great country if necessary (though as General Patton said, its far better to make the enemy die for HIS country), so that future generations can enjoy the same freedoms that you did.

Al you have hit the nail again. I have a print of George Patton and his dog William in a frame on the wall in my office. George has been watching now for about 20 or so years. I love your post once again. I agree let the other poor bastard die for his country and that is better than shoveling sheet in LA!!!

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

One need not even do that to get an education. All ya have to do is apply for somethin called "FAFSA"...sure, you'll end up with some hefty student loans to pay off, but you'll be a degreed professional. And if your grades are REALLY good, you'll qualify for scholarships or grants, which ya dont even need to pay back!

Now, as for joinin the military and dyin for your education, you could die any damn day and NOT receive education benefits. Besides, military service should be compulsory here as it is in Israel. I believe everyone should be required to fullfill their obligation as a condition of citizenship, everyone should have to make the commitment, which is only fair. You should be willin to forfeit your life in the service of our great country if necessary (though as General Patton said, its far better to make the enemy die for HIS country), so that future generations can enjoy the same freedoms that you did.

And I agree with you, you're one of the few I do like here.

I'm just saying the way the government has portrayed the military as a corporate entity and it advertises and persuades people to join for reasons outside of the sole fact that you will be entirely setting your life up to the government, they don't advertise that in their commercials, etc. It is too focused on trying to get you to join for reasons other than actually serving for personal reasons, etc.

And I've already gotten plenty of scholarships myself, and I'll maybe be attending LSU in Baton Rouge in a year+, and I've already received a full scholarship there, so it's not an issue for me, but those disadvantaged and older and unable to pay for education, it's a bit harder to find those sort of programs offered by the government and other agencies.

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by Santabot

Sure, join the military and die for your education.

As a local businessman, my employees and I have participated in a city program where the city pays half of training costs, while I pay the other half. Zero cost to the employee. No military involved. And this is but one single example of a (non-military) government program.

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by rhertz

As a local businessman, my employees and I have participated in a city program where the city pays half of training costs, while I pay the other half. Zero cost to the employee. No military involved. And this is but one single example of a (non-military) government program.

Unless you're paying for people to get their BA or higher, then that's not the same issue I'm talking about. Training for businesses is partly there for employers, and also for employees who plan on their careers beforehand. Those employers that need people desperately or would like to offer free training are doing a service in order to enhance those individuals and the business itself by having properly trained employees.