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I'd simply settle for an admission that your religion is based on faith alone. You believe because you want to believe, not because there are indisputable facts supporting your opinion. As far as your "explanation" it's always been human interpretation. Even "divinely inspired" authors are still mere human beings interpreting a message they believe came from a higher power. You're very close to what I'm leading you too, but some of you just refuse to see it. Last edited by BrainSmashR; 03-09-2007 at 03:55 PM. |
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I agree, must beliefs are based on faith. this is due to the timeline based on the things of past, present, and the coming.
you must also concede that your basis of facts and the proofs and equations that back up the facts are all based on faith. You have faith the ones before that wrote facts and based their findings on other authors self proclaimed facts. You have faith that red is actually red, and the theory of light associations acting on the rods and cones of the eyes that you actually see red. All of this is based on secular mentality that if something is tested using science and equation can prove it, it is therefore fact. This is faith also, don't you agree. Divine inspiration is based on my god directing a human being to display a work of greatness for those who choose to see it can be inspired as well.... it is not the other way around. |
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Are you implying that any "miracle" you have witnessed doesn't have a scientifically related cause and affect? I replied: Yes, I am not only implying that, but banking on it as part of my faith. I have witnessed many things that cannot be explained by current science based cause and effect. Doctors have documented sudden cures with no scientific explanation whatsoever. Some individuals have been documented with forms of ESP that cannot be explained by science. Yet Police sometimes use these individuals to located criminals or clues to solving a case. Such as finding a suspected murderer. Some of these things can be explained as “miracles” until such time (if ever) that science can model and explain it. Keep in mind that science and religion aren’t mutually exclusive by any stretch of the imagination. Science is a moving target and updated frequently just like a Wiki. Quote:
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http://www.google.com/search?q=Bible+Evidence If you truly want evidence, Archaeological finds have confirmed what the Bible teaches. As archaeologists progress, they discover more and more evidence to support the Bible, and very little to debunk it. There are thousands of partial and complete copies of the Bible texts. These manuscripts are very ancient and they are available for inspection right now. Contrast that to literary works like the Iliad and Odyssey. Quote:
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Now I admit that I DO think I understand where you are going with this, and I have pondered the concept somewhat myself....how do you know I'm not seeing green and I've just been taught to call it red. Except that's called color blindness....it's already been defined by science. |
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Who on this thread has read the entire Bible ?
Even if it was in sections or all at once. Cover to cover ? That would give our atheist counter parts a platform to argue from. To attack something you have not read start to finish is like me not reading Homer and saying the book sucks. The ancient Hebrew locked in the meaning on three levels. Acrostics where one and there is another one in the Assyrian Tablets that agree with the ancient Hebrew text not the new English translations which have disclaimers with them (King James) which state there are flaws in the translation. (1611 Version has disclaimer) I KNOW things that I have learned from reading the Bible twice and much more in study. This does not make me a expert but it does give me a base from to discuss with other adult Christians. I do not expect the Kenite (sons of Kain) to ever agree with the truth of the Bible for they are of their father and they do his (Satan) works and their agenda is to destroy Christianity any way they can. It will never happen and when we all do face our mortality I will turn to my God and Christ and the atheist can look to their mirror for that is all they have to find rest in a time of major trouble. I do pity those people but they will not be helped because they have had to drink from the cup of dregs which their leader gives them their leader being Beelzebub Yes Kain had children and he lived for over 700 years moving thru Babylon and into Russia and ended up in Mongolia and China and sired many children along the way and we still have that evil seed with us today and the harvest is near and the wheat and the tares (Kain seed) will be separated at that time by God. FYI my opinion !! Good book "Sargon the Magnificent" traces the seed line of Kain. So atheist you find your proof in a test tube I find my in my Bible and my heart as God will touch those that love Him. You may not have ever felt that touch and you will not with out reading and studying. It is kind of like having a child you just can not tell someone what it is like and how much love you feel for that child and God is the same way. We are all Gods children good and bad it is up to the individual to pick the road to life or the road to hell it is choice after all that is what everybody wants is freedom of choice.
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Overlooking the obvious due to jealousy on behalf of your savior. The Bible is no different than any other book, it just means something different to Christians. Quote:
I'm not using wikipedia to prove my opinion, I'm using it to prove you haven't researched you side of the story because even wikipedia suggests that Homer was divinely inspired while your contention is he was not. If I listed 10 other sources, you still wouldn't have debunked the concept that many believe Homer was divinely inspired, which IS the point, not whether or not Wikipedia is a creditable source. BTW, had you bothered to DO the research, you'd have noticed I copied the paragraph from Wikipedia however they are NOT the source of the information that I posted. Morgan, Llewelyn, 1999. Patterns of Redemption in Virgil's Georgics (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press), p. 30. Simply put, you're arguing a moot point that was never even intended to BE a point. You just saw an argument you thought you could win because of the source, damn the information provided, right? Quote:
Once again, you're arguing about wikipedia instead of keeping your eye on the ball. I could list 10 alternate sources and you still wouldn't have proved that some thought Homer was divinely inspired OR which author who witnessed the creation of the Universe, or the Earth, or even one single creature. Quote:
Now, if the overwhelming number of Christians (2 billion) is one of the reasons your use to prove the existence of your savor and justify your beliefs. What's that say about the other 4 billion Earthlings who do not believe in Christianity, who say YOU are wrong while your measely 1/3 of the population says the entire rest of the plant is wrong....based on the numbers? Sounds to me that you are practicing a double standard. Jealousy on behalf of your savior....again, that's zealotry. Quote:
The more likely story is that some Christian, relying on faith rather than fact, incorporated the concept you are talking about into his system of beliefs. Of course, at least the Catholic Church had enough sense to see the guy was full of crap. That's why you don't read about pyramids in the Bible even though they existed long before Jesus roamed the middle east. Quote:
Medicine is not an exact science. In laymens terms, something man doesn't currently have the knowledge to explain does NOT suggest divine intervention, but rather a lack of understanding on our part. Now what about the miracles you have witnessed? |
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Well, that's neither here nor there anyway.....but certainly convenient that that not one physical trace of your alleged savior exists that would prove beyond the shadow of doubt that he was a mere mortal like you and I. Quote:
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It's common knowledge that Christians don't like hearing the truth....it's why, as a whole, Christians are responsible for more murders throughout history than any other single group or organization.
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I thought Brainsmash replied just to start controversy... But it seems he really believes what he is typing.
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Currently I am among the majority on the planet who believes in the one Living God, the God of Abraham. Currently I am among the majority who believes that Jesus existed. The only thing that I am not among the majority is whether Jesus is the Christ ordained by the God that the majority already believe in. Not a slight subject, but the numbers look good to me. Actually they look great compared to those who worship Zeus or nothing. Yes this overwhelming consensus ranks high as evidence in my mind. Although it may have happened before, it isn’t easy to fool 2 billion people these days. Quote:
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As hard as you try, you cannot separate religion from faith. They are bound together just as you are bound to society. The Holy Bible was written by humans who were divinely inspired by God. Likewise I am a Christian because I am divinely inspired by God to be a Christian. Why do you think that the majority of leading scientists around the world believe in God? There is plenty of room for both science and religion in one head. How else can you explain the popularity of religion in a very growing scientific world? The answer is found in divine inspiration. When the scientific astronauts went to the moon, what did they do? They quoted divine scripture! Smart highly educated and trained astronauts and rocket scientists can be divinely inspired. What does that say to you? In fact, advancement in science lead to this inspiration and vice versa. God inspires scientists and he could inspire you if you listened. Like a radio station, you must tune in to hear anything. |
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