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You and society are linked together whether you like it or not. To know the truth, you have to believe in something and then act on it. Society will give you plenty of feedback. This site is one example. Now if society decides to hang you for heresy or treason then at least you will die secure in the knowledge that you contributed something to our party! Quote:
- Documentation: Old and New Testament, Dead Sea Scrolls, nearly all of Theology - World Consensus: Substantial statistical proof that Jesus existed - Experience: As a Christian, I am a living testament to the miracles I have witnessed and prayers than I have seen answered against all odds. - Even the number of “Bible codes” would suggest this is not your average book Quote:
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Awesome reply!!
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Hear, hear I second that
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That's from wikipedia. As you can plainly see, your thoughts are based on opinion alone, not easily accessible and readily verifiable fact....and again, we're talking about 2 parts of 1 story and only 1 author. C'mon dude, you can't even debunk Homer while not being able to name one author of the Bible. Quote:
I hate to call you a zealot, since you don't make a religious reference in every other post, but you are clearly and intentionally overlooking the obvious with on this one. As I stated, religion isn't a Democracy...majority is irrelevant. Quote:
Get real dude.....if ANY woman you know showed up pregnant tomorrow, would you believe it was an immaculate conception? Remember, intercourse doesn't have to happen for a pregnancy to occur, but but a meeting of sperm and egg must. Quote:
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Where's the cross? Where are the bones? God saves souls....are you implying only once that he considered removing the body as well? How convenient. Quote:
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Tell me, Brain, have you ever heard of "Pascal's Wager"? Personally, I fully understood the tenets of Pascal's Wager long before I knew the concept had a name. Basically, "PW" exposes atheism for the utterly foolhardy practice that it is. In plain english, it means that you have absolutely NOTHING to lose by choosing to believe in a creator/supreme being, and EVERYTHING to gain. Ok, so here we are, locked into the mortal coil, now...in Christianity, for example, choosing not to believe in God is the one impardonable sin that will land one's miserable ass in eternal hot water, agreed? Ok, so if there really IS a Christian God, then choosing to believe in Him would seem to be the logical and intelligent thing to do, would it not? If it turns out theres no God then you've lost nothing, correct? This is the same conclusion even the most theologically ignorant soldier arrives at when he finds himself in combat. Its where the saying "ya wont find a single athiest in a foxhole" comes from! So, where does that leave us? Well, to my way of thinking, it means that there are no REAL atheists, only those who PROFESS to be atheists. Yes, there are those who profess atheism...right up until they find themselves confronting their own mortality, then they recant.
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Damn, if ol' Al didn't DO IT AGAIN !
"there ain't no atheist in fox holes" how the heck are ya gonna argue with that !!!! |
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for rhertz and al
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LOL...yup, the atheist recants...it would be funny if the stakes werent so damned high!
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Al you nailed it right on the head "Pascal's Wager"
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You believe because of the FEAR of not believing? You know, there are MANY who would label you as a non-Christain because of what you have stated above.....in fact, I'm truely surprised that Isaac agrees with this type of justification. |
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I'll also agree that defending one's beliefs doesn't necessarily make one a zealot. Now refusing to believe there are any alternatives when your opinions are base solely on faith "because that's all you have"......well that's a different story, isn't it? |
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Are you trying to imply that this body of written works you refer to as The Bible isn't just another piece of literature? If I look up the word Manger, is it going to reference your God? How about the North Star? You've done nothing more here than show that you can't help but to let emotion override your intellect. Quote:
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"Very good, now how many of them gave first-hand accounts? And while you're at it, explain why the Catholic Church decides which writing to include instead of including all of the "divinely inspired" works? Surely they have noting to hide?"
Sounds Like to me If it was up to Brainsmash, Christianity would be ended. the explaination of the catholic church comment, they are humans interpreting the bible in their religion, right or wrong. this means their is human influence at play, including politics and infiltrators. Their is a fine line between secularism and religion these days.... you make that abudantly clear, why don't you use dante's poem about hell next time or the kitchen sink...... |
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