Judge Roy Moore sued for 10 Commandments

Al Swearengen · 02-14-2007, 07:26 PM

What does " turning away from the church" have to do with the Ten Commandments? Besides that, I'm not at all certain you can back that statement up with statistics. If anything, in these troubling times I bet church attendence is at an alltime high. Anyway, I thought this was a discussion of our laws, such as they are. I will again point out that our laws have Biblical origins. The Bible and the church are two entirely different things, one being the Word of God, the other a man-made construct. That would be like swearing off Christianity because of a bunch of pederast catholic priests. Just because some so-called "Christians" do not adhere to "The Word" does not make "The Word" any less valid, does it? Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater eh? The man did what he thought was right...now he's paying the price for it! That should satisfy those of you who believe he is a criminal. For the rest of us, it just goes to show how far we have fallen. God save the judge!

BrainSmashR · 02-14-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

What does " turning away from the church" have to do with the Ten Commandments? Besides that, I'm not at all certain you can back that statement up with statistics. I thought this was a discussion of our laws, such as they are. I will again point out that our laws have Biblical origins. The Bible and the church are two entirely different things, one being the Word of God, the other a man-made construct. That would be like swearing off Christianity because of a bunch of pederast catholic priests. Just because some so-called "Christians" do not adhere to "The Word" does not make "The Word" any less valid, does it? Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater eh? The man did what he thought was right...now he's paying the price for it! That should satisfy those of you who believe he is a criminal. For the rest of us, it just goes to show how far we have fallen. God save the judge!

I agree with what you have said who heartedly.

My point is that Isaac is claiming that those of us who choose the law over religion are, in essence, promoting Socialism. That's not only false, it's propaganda as well, and that type of propaganda is what's driving people away from the church.

Do I have data to prove that? Not handy, but if you believe it's false, then why make a statement like "how far we have fallen"?

Al Swearengen · 02-14-2007, 08:41 PM

I made the statement "how far we have fallen" because we have indeed fallen far, have we not? When a God fearing man is stripped of his livelihood because he would not compromise his faith or what he knows to be right and good...I'd say we've turned a corner, wouldnt you? We have reached a new high in low. You said people are "turning away from the church"! I believe that the people who are turning away from it are the same ones who were never a part of it in the first place. In times of trouble, such as these, I'd wager that church attendance rises exponentially. Even so, church attendance is by no means a measure of man's decadence. Churchs are chock full of hypocrites. Well, maybe "hypocrite" is a bit harsh, since we're only human, and fallible. Lets just say the church is full of sinners, and leave it at that.

As far as the observance of "law over religion" being an aim of socialism, Im inclined to agree with you that it is not...on the face of it. However, the Nazis were socialists, and they firmly believed that laws took precedence over religion, and look how they ended up! Men have a tendency to pervert or distort law, and who knows this better than a judge? If I ever find myself standing before an earthly judge, I'll count myself lucky if his decisions are above all else governed and guided by the laws given to us by the creator, rather than strict adherence to the laws of men.

LateNight · 02-15-2007, 12:07 AM

It only took 26 posts in this thread for someone to mention Nazis

LOL

Rough Rider · 02-15-2007, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LateNight

It only took 26 posts in this thread for someone to mention Nazis

Speaking of Nazis..

If say for example, this judge had put up some Nazi symbol/monument outside his courthouse, and he was told by higher courts to remove it, and he refused, and he lost his job, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

As I've said before, I think the WHOLE thing is stupid, and this should have never been an issue in the first place. But it's the fact that a judge of all people should set an example and listen to the higher courts. Take away the 10 commandments out of this argument, and I think everyone would agree.

But since we'll never "take the 10 commandments out of this argument" this thread is going nowhere.

I'm afraid, I'm just able to look at both sides of this, and as I said before, in a perfect world we wouldn't have this #$@% , or people suing over Christmas trees or ***** about being told "Merry Christmas" at Christmas time.

Al Swearengen · 02-15-2007, 04:21 AM

The church is just as guilty of perverting the law as government is, and why is that? Because churches and governments are composed of people, and people are deeply, fatally flawed. But the Ten Commandments...well, its kind of hard to misinterpret those.

Theres no way to remove the Ten Commandments from the equation, but maybe thats a good thing. You see, the more we strive to divorce the teachings of God from humanity's affairs, the more debased we become, the further from grace we find ourselves. This whole issue reminds me of another man who did what he KNEW to be right, remained true to his beliefs, and refused to compromise when it came to his integrity. They took away his livelihood too, the ratbastards.

As for my mentioning the Nazis, its quite relevant...and who's counting? They made a lasting impression on the world, and they'll be mentioned an infinite number of times more before its all over and done. My point being that those National Socialists succeeded in removing God from government, and we all know how well that turned out. What better example is there of what happens when we pretend that those Commandments are not at the heart of our justice system, when we ignore where they came from, and who gave them to us? Without them, there can be no justice...the two are inseparable. A court presided over by a godless man aint a place you'd want your fate decided! Judge Moore understood this, and a judge who would have it any other way is not fit to wear the robe and sit on the bench.

Isaac-Saxxon · 02-15-2007, 05:52 AM

Being a Christian and going to church do not go hand in hand. Church and religion both are man made and just like politics people and money make for problems. The Bible and Christianity are what the founders of this country used to base our laws on. This country is drifting away from that and that may make some of you happy but not me. Socialism is anti Christian and so are the people that pursue that agenda. Call me what you will it does not make any difference in world affairs but there will be house cleaning before all is said and done. If you choose to be anti Christian that is your free choice have a great trip. FYI I do not go to church and have not been in one for over twenty years I do read my Bible and proud of it and history books and I agree that the evangelicals have high jacked the churches and do not teach Bible instead their own dogma so there is good reason for people to loose sight of the truth and that truth is Christianity is a reality not a religion or a church and this falling away from God is written of so play the part of the fool if you choose I can not help you and you can not help your self

Isaac

geodood · 02-15-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LateNight

It only took 26 posts in this thread for someone to mention Nazis

Nazis? Did someone mention Nazis? LOL, don't make me invoke Godwin's Law!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

BrainSmashR · 02-15-2007, 12:07 AM

Hypocrite is not overly harsh, it is the exact term one should use to describe those people.

As for turning the corner, I agree that we have, but I don't see it as a failing, but rather as a growth. Once upon a time people prayed for cures, now we have medicine and science....just like once upon a time the Church made all of the laws and now we have Democracy and freedom of choice.

02-14-2007, 07:26 PM	#1
Al Swearengen Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 849 Rep Power: 269	What does " turning away from the church" have to do with the Ten Commandments? Besides that, I'm not at all certain you can back that statement up with statistics. If anything, in these troubling times I bet church attendence is at an alltime high. Anyway, I thought this was a discussion of our laws, such as they are. I will again point out that our laws have Biblical origins. The Bible and the church are two entirely different things, one being the Word of God, the other a man-made construct. That would be like swearing off Christianity because of a bunch of pederast catholic priests. Just because some so-called "Christians" do not adhere to "The Word" does not make "The Word" any less valid, does it? Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater eh? The man did what he thought was right...now he's paying the price for it! That should satisfy those of you who believe he is a criminal. For the rest of us, it just goes to show how far we have fallen. God save the judge! Last edited by Al Swearengen; 02-14-2007 at 08:12 PM.

02-14-2007, 08:41 PM	#3
Al Swearengen Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 849 Rep Power: 269	I made the statement "how far we have fallen" because we have indeed fallen far, have we not? When a God fearing man is stripped of his livelihood because he would not compromise his faith or what he knows to be right and good...I'd say we've turned a corner, wouldnt you? We have reached a new high in low. You said people are "turning away from the church"! I believe that the people who are turning away from it are the same ones who were never a part of it in the first place. In times of trouble, such as these, I'd wager that church attendance rises exponentially. Even so, church attendance is by no means a measure of man's decadence. Churchs are chock full of hypocrites. Well, maybe "hypocrite" is a bit harsh, since we're only human, and fallible. Lets just say the church is full of sinners, and leave it at that. As far as the observance of "law over religion" being an aim of socialism, Im inclined to agree with you that it is not...on the face of it. However, the Nazis were socialists, and they firmly believed that laws took precedence over religion, and look how they ended up! Men have a tendency to pervert or distort law, and who knows this better than a judge? If I ever find myself standing before an earthly judge, I'll count myself lucky if his decisions are above all else governed and guided by the laws given to us by the creator, rather than strict adherence to the laws of men. Last edited by Al Swearengen; 02-14-2007 at 09:22 PM.

02-15-2007, 04:21 AM	#6
Al Swearengen Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 849 Rep Power: 269	The church is just as guilty of perverting the law as government is, and why is that? Because churches and governments are composed of people, and people are deeply, fatally flawed. But the Ten Commandments...well, its kind of hard to misinterpret those. Theres no way to remove the Ten Commandments from the equation, but maybe thats a good thing. You see, the more we strive to divorce the teachings of God from humanity's affairs, the more debased we become, the further from grace we find ourselves. This whole issue reminds me of another man who did what he KNEW to be right, remained true to his beliefs, and refused to compromise when it came to his integrity. They took away his livelihood too, the ratbastards. As for my mentioning the Nazis, its quite relevant...and who's counting? They made a lasting impression on the world, and they'll be mentioned an infinite number of times more before its all over and done. My point being that those National Socialists succeeded in removing God from government, and we all know how well that turned out. What better example is there of what happens when we pretend that those Commandments are not at the heart of our justice system, when we ignore where they came from, and who gave them to us? Without them, there can be no justice...the two are inseparable. A court presided over by a godless man aint a place you'd want your fate decided! Judge Moore understood this, and a judge who would have it any other way is not fit to wear the robe and sit on the bench. Last edited by Al Swearengen; 02-15-2007 at 06:07 AM.

02-15-2007, 05:52 AM	#7
Isaac-Saxxon SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,421 Rep Power: 340	What does church have to do with this Being a Christian and going to church do not go hand in hand. Church and religion both are man made and just like politics people and money make for problems. The Bible and Christianity are what the founders of this country used to base our laws on. This country is drifting away from that and that may make some of you happy but not me. Socialism is anti Christian and so are the people that pursue that agenda. Call me what you will it does not make any difference in world affairs but there will be house cleaning before all is said and done. If you choose to be anti Christian that is your free choice have a great trip. FYI I do not go to church and have not been in one for over twenty years I do read my Bible and proud of it and history books and I agree that the evangelicals have high jacked the churches and do not teach Bible instead their own dogma so there is good reason for people to loose sight of the truth and that truth is Christianity is a reality not a religion or a church and this falling away from God is written of so play the part of the fool if you choose I can not help you and you can not help your self Isaac

02-15-2007, 12:07 AM	#4
LateNight SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,609 Rep Power: 290	It only took 26 posts in this thread for someone to mention Nazis LOL

02-15-2007, 12:07 AM	#9
BrainSmashR Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Natchitoches Age: 54 Posts: 1,090 Rep Power: 0	Hypocrite is not overly harsh, it is the exact term one should use to describe those people. As for turning the corner, I agree that we have, but I don't see it as a failing, but rather as a growth. Once upon a time people prayed for cures, now we have medicine and science....just like once upon a time the Church made all of the laws and now we have Democracy and freedom of choice.

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