Bruce Springsteen's 'Magic' Has Anti-War Message

Pocahontas · 10-04-2007, 07:41 AM

Okay since no women have posted here I will dare to put in my 2 cents.
On Sept. 11 2001 this country as we know it changed. There's no doubt about it! Everyone was upset and looking for answers and cries of let's get those bastards were coming from all walks of life. When 6 months later something was done about it...the declaration of war by our president...people seemed relieved and supportive. My own liberal gay brother said to me "I guess it was a good thing Gore didn't win after all, he wouldn't have the backbone to declare war." That has stuck with me. As I recall Congress was all in agreement that war was the only answer. Now as we all know there is no timetable as to when it will be over. Pres. Bush said as much in the beginning. Now that the war is going on longer than many Americans believe acceptable people have turned on our leaders. This is what hurts our great country!!!! The enemies love to see us Americans disagreeing amongst ourselves!!!! War isn't pretty but is indeed necessary at times. Let's try to ride this thing out in support of our Commander and Chief and the soldiers!

Texasbelle · 10-04-2007, 08:15 AM

Second woman coming in here. I agree with points all of you make. I also have no problem with my son or daughter defending this country if that is a choice they make. These people want to take us over and will not stop from that mission. We have to continue our fight to stop their aggression against us or we will completely lose. So Al and Latenight since you apparently think the boys need to come home now how do you propose this whole mess with the Islam radicals be sorted out? What plan do you see working?

LateNight · 10-04-2007, 09:33 AM

9-11, 9-11, well 9-11 has nothing to do with iraq, never did. Might sounds good, make people feel better.. We should have "stayed" the course in Afghanistan, instead of pulling some troops out of there to go into Iraq. Capture Bin Laden, and run the Taliban completely out of there. Problem is, there ain't any money to be made in Afghanistan.

when ever this debate comes up, people like to holler and scream about Iran.. i've agreed 100 damn times around here, they are a real threat... throwing a trillion dollars at Iraq, does not help us any in Iran, it's only hurts us. so Iran does not equal a reason to be in Iraq.

Another tactic, is to accuse anyone of having a difference of opinion is to claim they don't support the troops, and then to wrap themselves in an American flag, and say rah rah. Look, I've known several folks, friends and family who have served in Iraq, I'm very proud of them, I wish like heck this crazy plan in Iraq had worked. They do what they are told, and I'm very proud of them, and I worry about them, and I worry for their families. This doesn't make me a ****ing Cut and Run democrat.. this makes me someone looking for a better freakin' plan.

and Isaac, I read plenty.. will admit i got thrown a little off being called un-american by the likes of you. another tactic by people in this debate.. have a difference of opinion.. you are labeled un-american. a socialist WTF ever..

You can compare jane fonda and Bruce Springsteen all you want.. I know it makes you feel better.. have at it. There's plenty of people who have difference of opinions about this war, they aren't over there in Iraq, talking with the insurgents. Call me a socialist left wing whatever new word you want to use, you know nothing of me and my politics.

someone asked what would be the plan instead of sitting around policing Iraq, in this war on "Terror" there are Al Quada cells everywhere, this war requires quick acting strikes, on insurgents where ever they may be. if Iran wants to build nukes, we send some missiles and we take them out. 10 years later if they try again, we blow 'em up again.. We don't spend 10 years occupying their country, hoping they'll change their damn minds.. You spend a couple of days blowing up nuclear plants, destroying some of their infrastructure.. after awhile, the people living there get pissed off at THEIR leaders, for not acting right, not at us for hangin' around for 10 years.

We need the ability to strike anywhere and everywhere at a moments notice.. spending a trillion damn dollars in Iraq getting bogged down in that cluster @#$@# doesn't help us.

You see this thread.. what its turned into.. when isaac brought this crap over into my LateNight forum.. can anyone blame me for trying to keep this crap out of there. I didn't delete Isaacs posts, he did, I edited one and took freakin' Jand Fonda out of my forum... the LateNight forum was about the music PERIOD. but to heck with that.

No one is changing anyone's mind here.. it's a waste of freakin' time and effort. God forbid someone have a difference of opinion around here, they're UN-American... someone has to stand up and ask the QUESTIONS, I'm not a cheerleader for this or ANY administration.

rhertz · 10-04-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LateNight

throwing a trillion dollars at Iraq, does not help us any in Iran, it's only hurts us. so Iran does not equal a reason to be in Iraq.

Well maybe with one exception. If we do ever get into it with Iran, we might need a base nearby to land our planes and operate from. I remember all the fuss over air space and bases during both Iraq wars. Just a thought... I really don't know much about military strategies.

Isaac-Saxxon · 10-04-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rhertz

Well maybe with one exception. If we do ever get into it with Iran, we might need a base nearby to land our planes and operate from. I remember all the fuss over air space and bases during both Iraq wars. Just a thought... I really don't know much about military strategies.

Good post rhertz. Yes we do need a base to keep a eye on our enemy. It is good to see what a good job our troops are doing at cleaning up the mess.
You know it is sad when I here someone worried about the money being spent in Iraq when the democRATS want to tax us out of business and the people worried about the money do not even pay much in taxes.

Neo · 10-04-2007, 09:51 AM

Bring the Boys Home,,,, That sounds like a very narrow viewpoint, kind of like you can't see the forest for the trees. The reason for this war, in my opinion, is to stop the genocide and the support of terror against the US. I have yet to see any oil rebates or discounts from this war. The price of oil is based on supply and demand, poor weather hindering shipment, and the political climate. If someone is to blame, blame the UN for the oil for food scandal, blame the DEM Clinton for Osama Bin Laden, and the bleeding heart liberal peacekeepers and nuclear watchdogs for Iraq and Iran. Give an inch they will take mile. My opinion comes from a military background and oil knowledge and investments. You know what the say about opinions, they are just a@@ holes, everybody has one... just some are bigger than others!

Isaac-Saxxon · 10-04-2007, 09:56 AM

You do not support this administration or any administration ? What is you do support ? Our troops ? Our cause ? Just who do you think is going to move in Iraq if our troops leave ? IRAN !!!! Your cursing rants have the tone of Brainsmashr .
You say I know nothing of your politics but you keep posting your thoughts ?? Hello !!
You want to bomb them every ten years. That way of thinking leaves time for more build up and it has the sound of a President Clinton or Jimmy the joke Carter. Now the part about “your” group you should be able to see I deleted the rest of what you did not delete and moved here to the thread I started before your pity party. You think that music does not have a political message then you need to get your head out of the sand. Bruce of all people has a major agenda he blends with his music. You know it is a thread like this one that cause people to take a stand.

LateNight · 10-04-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon

You do not support this administration or any administration ? What is you do support ? Our troops ? Our cause ?

Well, for starters, that's not what I said. I said I'm not a CHEERLEADER for them.. I know they can be wrong, I know at times they are not truthful. If I disagree, I'm gonna say so.. not just repeat the company line and stand dutifully by as if all is right with the world. Yes, I support our troops, yes I support our cause, I just don't agree with the current plan. Thus apparently making me un-american. so I guess I got that going for me.

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Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon

You say I know nothing of your politics but you keep posting your thoughts ?? Hello !!

Exactly, apparently you're just not listening.

Isaac-Saxxon · 10-04-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LateNight

Well, for starters, that's not what I said. I said I'm not a CHEERLEADER for them.. I know they can be wrong, I know at times they are not truthful. If I disagree, I'm gonna say so.. not just repeat the company line and stand dutifully by as if all is right with the world. Yes, I support our troops, yes I support our cause, I just don't agree with the current plan. Thus apparently making me un-American. so I guess I got that going for me.

Exactly, apparently you're just not listening.

Hey your right I do not listen to your pitycast any more but I do read the board and you have posted your thoughts. We do not agree on much of anything from censorship, our President, Iraq and our troops. This is freedom of speech and you have the right to support or not support our great nation and the cause that we fight for and this nation was built on. Freedom ! this gives all of us the right and yes it was paid for with blood.

vixweb · 10-04-2007, 07:11 PM

Wow....where to start?

O.K. AL: When has "big buisiness" not made money from war? Isn't that what got America out of the depression? Yes, it is. Does that mean its "right"? thats a matter of opinion, But their necessity is not. And who's REALLY making money off this war? Did you know that the LARGEST shareholder in Halliburton is(was) none-other than LADY BIRD JOHNSON? Yes, the big Liberal wife of Dem president Johnson- OUCH! I know that hurt. And oh yeah, that Kennedy family also owns an Oil company. If your gonna be so passionate about something, dont you want all the information? Do a little research.....

LN: You stand up and ask questions, Thats great. Here are some FACTS for you-
1. Russian Intelligence told us they thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. So did Germany, Spain, England, Japan, France, and the American FBI and CIA. Was the President supposed to think" oh, theyre all lying so I will make money" WTF ?? And remember when the Government leaders of France did'nt want us to go into Iraq and we later found the records in Bagdhad that showed they were violating the UN sanctions and buying oil from saddam under the table?
2. We KNOW he used chemical weapons against the Kurds.
3. Saddam actively supported Islamic terrorists including al-queada and paying CASH to the families of suicide bombers.
I could go on, but lets stop there. Do we want a Nut like saddam or Iran or N.Korea who has an inclination to hand these weapons over to people who will use them on us and the Jews? Why is this so difficult to comprehend? So, Saddam is gone and the Iraqis are not handling up like we(I) thought they would. How does that deminish the FACT that we went in there with the correct intentions? When You say Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror, YOU ARE WRONG.

I want our troops home as soon as possible, but thats a long time from now. We have to be realistic and see the BIG picture. Thank GOD we have a competant President and Military leaders who do understand.

10-04-2007, 07:41 AM	#1
Pocahontas SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,691 Rep Power: 274	Okay since no women have posted here I will dare to put in my 2 cents. On Sept. 11 2001 this country as we know it changed. There's no doubt about it! Everyone was upset and looking for answers and cries of let's get those bastards were coming from all walks of life. When 6 months later something was done about it...the declaration of war by our president...people seemed relieved and supportive. My own liberal gay brother said to me "I guess it was a good thing Gore didn't win after all, he wouldn't have the backbone to declare war." That has stuck with me. As I recall Congress was all in agreement that war was the only answer. Now as we all know there is no timetable as to when it will be over. Pres. Bush said as much in the beginning. Now that the war is going on longer than many Americans believe acceptable people have turned on our leaders. This is what hurts our great country!!!! The enemies love to see us Americans disagreeing amongst ourselves!!!! War isn't pretty but is indeed necessary at times. Let's try to ride this thing out in support of our Commander and Chief and the soldiers! __________________ "The greater your capacity to love, the greater your capacity to feel the pain." Jennifer Aniston

10-04-2007, 08:15 AM	#2
Texasbelle SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In the woods Posts: 1,819 Rep Power: 266	Second woman coming in here. I agree with points all of you make. I also have no problem with my son or daughter defending this country if that is a choice they make. These people want to take us over and will not stop from that mission. We have to continue our fight to stop their aggression against us or we will completely lose. So Al and Latenight since you apparently think the boys need to come home now how do you propose this whole mess with the Islam radicals be sorted out? What plan do you see working? __________________ One shoe can change your life! Cinderella

10-04-2007, 09:56 AM	#7
Isaac-Saxxon SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,421 Rep Power: 319	You do not support this administration or any administration ? What is you do support ? Our troops ? Our cause ? Just who do you think is going to move in Iraq if our troops leave ? IRAN !!!! Your cursing rants have the tone of Brainsmashr . You say I know nothing of your politics but you keep posting your thoughts ?? Hello !! You want to bomb them every ten years. That way of thinking leaves time for more build up and it has the sound of a President Clinton or Jimmy the joke Carter. Now the part about “your” group you should be able to see I deleted the rest of what you did not delete and moved here to the thread I started before your pity party. You think that music does not have a political message then you need to get your head out of the sand. Bruce of all people has a major agenda he blends with his music. You know it is a thread like this one that cause people to take a stand. __________________ Maranatha Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

10-04-2007, 07:11 PM	#10
vixweb Advanced Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 53 Posts: 291 Rep Power: 221	Wow....where to start? O.K. AL: When has "big buisiness" not made money from war? Isn't that what got America out of the depression? Yes, it is. Does that mean its "right"? thats a matter of opinion, But their necessity is not. And who's REALLY making money off this war? Did you know that the LARGEST shareholder in Halliburton is(was) none-other than LADY BIRD JOHNSON? Yes, the big Liberal wife of Dem president Johnson- OUCH! I know that hurt. And oh yeah, that Kennedy family also owns an Oil company. If your gonna be so passionate about something, dont you want all the information? Do a little research..... LN: You stand up and ask questions, Thats great. Here are some FACTS for you- 1. Russian Intelligence told us they thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. So did Germany, Spain, England, Japan, France, and the American FBI and CIA. Was the President supposed to think" oh, theyre all lying so I will make money" WTF ?? And remember when the Government leaders of France did'nt want us to go into Iraq and we later found the records in Bagdhad that showed they were violating the UN sanctions and buying oil from saddam under the table? 2. We KNOW he used chemical weapons against the Kurds. 3. Saddam actively supported Islamic terrorists including al-queada and paying CASH to the families of suicide bombers. I could go on, but lets stop there. Do we want a Nut like saddam or Iran or N.Korea who has an inclination to hand these weapons over to people who will use them on us and the Jews? Why is this so difficult to comprehend? So, Saddam is gone and the Iraqis are not handling up like we(I) thought they would. How does that deminish the FACT that we went in there with the correct intentions? When You say Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror, YOU ARE WRONG. I want our troops home as soon as possible, but thats a long time from now. We have to be realistic and see the BIG picture. Thank GOD we have a competant President and Military leaders who do understand. Last edited by vixweb; 10-04-2007 at 07:28 PM.

10-04-2007, 09:33 AM	#3
LateNight SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,609 Rep Power: 269	9-11, 9-11, well 9-11 has nothing to do with iraq, never did. Might sounds good, make people feel better.. We should have "stayed" the course in Afghanistan, instead of pulling some troops out of there to go into Iraq. Capture Bin Laden, and run the Taliban completely out of there. Problem is, there ain't any money to be made in Afghanistan. when ever this debate comes up, people like to holler and scream about Iran.. i've agreed 100 damn times around here, they are a real threat... throwing a trillion dollars at Iraq, does not help us any in Iran, it's only hurts us. so Iran does not equal a reason to be in Iraq. Another tactic, is to accuse anyone of having a difference of opinion is to claim they don't support the troops, and then to wrap themselves in an American flag, and say rah rah. Look, I've known several folks, friends and family who have served in Iraq, I'm very proud of them, I wish like heck this crazy plan in Iraq had worked. They do what they are told, and I'm very proud of them, and I worry about them, and I worry for their families. This doesn't make me a ***ing Cut and Run democrat.. this makes me someone looking for a better freakin' plan. and Isaac, I read plenty.. will admit i got thrown a little off being called un-american by the likes of you. another tactic by people in this debate.. have a difference of opinion.. you are labeled un-american. a socialist WTF ever.. You can compare jane fonda and Bruce Springsteen all you want.. I know it makes you feel better.. have at it. There's plenty of people who have difference of opinions about this war, they aren't over there in Iraq, talking with the insurgents. Call me a socialist left wing whatever new word you want to use, you know nothing of me and my politics. someone asked what would be the plan instead of sitting around policing Iraq, in this war on "Terror" there are Al Quada cells everywhere, this war requires quick acting strikes, on insurgents where ever they may be. if Iran wants to build nukes, we send some missiles and we take them out. 10 years later if they try again, we blow 'em up again.. We don't spend 10 years occupying their country, hoping they'll change their damn minds.. You spend a couple of days blowing up nuclear plants, destroying some of their infrastructure.. after awhile, the people living there get pissed off at THEIR leaders, for not acting right, not at us for hangin' around for 10 years. We need the ability to strike anywhere and everywhere at a moments notice.. spending a trillion damn dollars in Iraq getting bogged down in that cluster @#$@# doesn't help us. You see this thread.. what its turned into.. when isaac brought this crap over into my LateNight forum.. can anyone blame me for trying to keep this crap out of there. I didn't delete Isaacs posts, he did, I edited one and took freakin' Jand Fonda out of my forum... the LateNight forum was about the music PERIOD. but to heck with that. No one is changing anyone's mind here.. it's a waste of freakin' time and effort. God forbid someone have a difference of opinion around here, they're UN-American... someone* has to stand up and ask the QUESTIONS, I'm not a cheerleader for this or ANY administration.

10-04-2007, 09:51 AM	#6
Neo Advanced Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 230	Bring the Boys Home,,,, That sounds like a very narrow viewpoint, kind of like you can't see the forest for the trees. The reason for this war, in my opinion, is to stop the genocide and the support of terror against the US. I have yet to see any oil rebates or discounts from this war. The price of oil is based on supply and demand, poor weather hindering shipment, and the political climate. If someone is to blame, blame the UN for the oil for food scandal, blame the DEM Clinton for Osama Bin Laden, and the bleeding heart liberal peacekeepers and nuclear watchdogs for Iraq and Iran. Give an inch they will take mile. My opinion comes from a military background and oil knowledge and investments. You know what the say about opinions, they are just a@@ holes, everybody has one... just some are bigger than others!

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