Since everybody has an "opinion"

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Santabot

China?

That's why communism works.

China in 2006 stood as the second-largest economy in the world after the US, although in per capita terms the country is still lower middle-income and 130 million Chinese fall below international poverty lines.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/ch.html

Can you even imagine what the international poverty line is compared to what we in America consider poverty to be??

That's PROOF, along with the collapse of every other major communist country/government, that communism as a means of government for large societies is a near total failure.

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

China in 2006 stood as the second-largest economy in the world after the US, although in per capita terms the country is still lower middle-income and 130 million Chinese fall below international poverty lines.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/ch.html

Can you even imagine what the international poverty line is compared to what we in America consider poverty to be??

That's PROOF, along with the collapse of every other major communist country/government, that communism as a means of government for large societies is a near total failure.

There have been communist-based utopian societies built in the United States, as well, they've all failed due to human error. Communism works on paper. Capitalism works on paper. Neither work 100% either way, and nobody here said one is greater than the other. Any "communist" attempt in history has been led by fascist regimes, they're not true communistic societies that operate on more than the same thing as a republic. They take over in "your name" and make decisions "on your behalf" and rule the country, it's the same government bull****, it's how it works.

There have been no pure communist or capitalist societies that work.. they just can't.. corruption is a human trait.

EDIT: you may also be forgetting that China is the most populous country in the world, not that I think you did, but in a system that is led by totalitarianism, not everybody gets satisfied. It's kind of hard to cram billions of people in a small area (the majority of China is mountainous, inhabitable) and make everybody rich and happy. The US is like.. what.. 1% urbanized? There's not even enough people in the entire country to fill one major Chinese city.

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Santabot

There have been communist-based utopian societies built in the United States, as well, they've all failed due to human error. Communism works on paper. Capitalism works on paper. Neither work 100% either way, and nobody here said one is greater than the other. Any "communist" attempt in history has been led by fascist regimes, they're not true communistic societies that operate on more than the same thing as a republic. They take over in "your name" and make decisions "on your behalf" and rule the country, it's the same government bull****, it's how it works.

There have been no pure communist or capitalist societies that work.. they just can't.. corruption is a human trait.

I don't disagree with what you've said here, but rather your comment that "communism works"

EDIT: you may also be forgetting that China is the most populous country in the world, not that I think you did, but in a system that is led by totalitarianism, not everybody gets satisfied. It's kind of hard to cram billions of people in a small area (the majority of China is mountainous, inhabitable) and make everybody rich and happy. The US is like.. what.. 1% urbanized? There's not even enough people in the entire country to fill one major Chinese city.

And that's why Democracy and free enterprise will ALWAYS be better than Communism.

Your level of satisfaction/success in America is directly related to the amount of effort you put into it. That philosophy doesn't hold true in communist societies.....as you stated, "not everybody gets satisfied".

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

I don't disagree with what you've said here, but rather your comment that "communism works"


And that's why Democracy and free enterprise will ALWAYS be better than Communism.

Your level of satisfaction/success in America is directly related to the amount of effort you put into it. That philosophy doesn't hold true in communist societies.....as you stated, "not everybody gets satisfied".

True, mostly. But do you see how the top 1% of the country's wealthy people own 73% of the country's wealth? That's a very communist revolution-worthy situation. I'm not really that much of a communist sympathyzer, but in the realm of utopian ideals just for ****s, I'd say a pure communist system would work much better than a capitalist federal republic like ours. There are always ways to cheat the system, look at me, for example!

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Santabot

True, mostly. But do you see how the top 1% of the country's wealthy people own 73% of the country's wealth? That's a very communist revolution-worthy situation. I'm not really that much of a communist sympathyzer, but in the realm of utopian ideals just for ****s, I'd say a pure communist system would work much better than a capitalist federal republic like ours. There are always ways to cheat the system, look at me, for example!

What's revolution-worthy about being THE MOST successful, the top 1% that the country has to offer?

Has that in any way affected your earning potential or do you just think the successful should be punished because you're not one of them?

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

What's revolution-worthy about being THE MOST successful, the top 1% that the country has to offer?

Has that in any way affected your earning potential or do you just think the successful should be punished because you're not one of them?

No, but that's what communism looks for. The bourgeoisie, oh noes, they control the country and everything in it, support the proletariat, revolt! Whatever.

It makes sense, but by the time they all get around to destroying the government and society, they have nothing left to fall back on.. it'd be too hard for America to completely change like that.. everybody is too relaxed in their luxurious lifestyle, eating their hearts out, literally, and burning gasoline like it's firewood.

I just think it's not very efficient and selfish.. but as long as I live in this society, I'm taking full advantage of it, why not, ya know?

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Santabot

I just think it's not very efficient and selfish.. but as long as I live in this society, I'm taking full advantage of it, why not, ya know?

You mean besides that mentality being the basis for the decline of western civilization as well as the fall of Rome?

When the number of people "taking full advantage" of the system outweighs the number of people contributing to and sustaining the system, then even democracy and free enterprise will fail. Weren't you just trying to explain that to ME?