Russia the sleeping giant.

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

So if the 18 year old soldier isn't old enough and/or educated enough to understand what he is doing, then what does that suggest about someone who's even younger?

They're tricked into joining a social club named "ROTC" that tries to get them to enlist in the military later on as a career / source of education.

Just because some people are uneducated before they join does not mean all are, I made a general statement but I did not mean to say that they all are unaware of the consequences and have no rationale before joining. It also does not mean that someone of a lesser age is necessarily uneducated about the consequences, I don't personally believe you're a proper citizen unless you know and understand the law, not necessarily abiding by it, but by enacting your voting power and through (what should be proper) legislation, you and others who support a common idea (should be able to) pass new laws or revoke old ones that are more suited for the people of the country, which is what the laws are for, not to impede on us.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by Santabot

They're tricked into joining a social club named "ROTC" that tries to get them to enlist in the military later on as a career / source of education.

Just because some people are uneducated before they join does not mean all are, I made a general statement but I did not mean to say that they all are unaware of the consequences and have no rationale before joining. It also does not mean that someone of a lesser age is necessarily uneducated about the consequences, I don't personally believe you're a proper citizen unless you know and understand the law, not necessarily abiding by it, but by enacting your voting power and through (what should be proper) legislation, you and others who support a common idea (should be able to) pass new laws or revoke old ones that are more suited for the people of the country, which is what the laws are for, not to impede on us.

Santabot you may want to try and get that foot out of your mouth

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Santabot

They're tricked into joining a social club named "ROTC" that tries to get them to enlist in the military later on as a career / source of education.

You mean like drug dealers "tricked" you into thinking getting high was fun and not detrimental to your health, future, and freedom?

Simply put, your decision to do drugs was 100% of your own doing, just like joining ROTC and/or the Military.

Just because some people are uneducated before they join does not mean all are, I made a general statement but I did not mean to say that they all are unaware of the consequences and have no rationale before joining. It also does not mean that someone of a lesser age is necessarily uneducated about the consequences, I don't personally believe you're a proper citizen unless you know and understand the law, not necessarily abiding by it, but by enacting your voting power and through (what should be proper) legislation, you and others who support a common idea (should be able to) pass new laws or revoke old ones that are more suited for the people of the country, which is what the laws are for, not to impede on us.

Well last time I checked, we had a special place for people who chose to "not necessarily abide by the law". Hopefully you'll realize the error of your ways before you end up on vacation at one of those special resorts.

BTW, study up on the Constitution, kid. We CAN change the laws of this country with a majority vote in congress.....it's called Democracy.

[Texasbelle]

I believe Santabot that you have been put in your place by Brain. That's scary in itself. Good for you Brain...and I really hate saying that.

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Texasbelle

I believe Santabot that you have been put in your place by Brain. That's scary in itself. Good for you Brain...and I really hate saying that.

My intention was not to "put him in his place", but rather to show him that his youth prevents him from viewing the world objectively AND as an adult.

I feel he is wrong because of lack of experence, not because he chooses to be that way as is the case with other users on this forum.

The ROTC is a perfect example. I remember most of the ROTC kids being fairly unintelligent.....not a knock against them, that's just the way that it was. Now since Santabot is only 17, I can surmise that his expose to REAL military personal has been limited as is the case for most high school kids....so why wouldn't he think most of the military consists weaker minded individuals like he sees everyday in ROTC?

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

My intention was not to "put him in his place", but rather to show him that his youth prevents him from viewing the world objectively AND as an adult.

I feel he is wrong because of lack of experence, not because he chooses to be that way as is the case with other users on this forum.

The ROTC is a perfect example. I remember most of the ROTC kids being fairly unintelligent.....not a knock against them, that's just the way that it was. Now since Santabot is only 17, I can surmise that his expose to REAL military personal has been limited as is the case for most high school kids....so why wouldn't he think most of the military consists weaker minded individuals like he sees everyday in ROTC?

I'm not weak in knowledge of military actions and personnel involved. I've got many family members that have been and currently are on active duty for our country, friends with parents (and friends themselves) in the military, and I never bashed the fact of the matter. I only suggested that a main reason for some people is joining to get certain benefits that should otherwise be free of cost of your life.

I suppose in a few months I'll be an entirely transformed mind and person to make decisions for myself adequately and appropriately, since there are no "adults" in prison, by your own argument.

[Neo]

People do not need to join the military for benefits. The government gives away plenty!

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

You mean like drug dealers "tricked" you into thinking getting high was fun and not detrimental to your health, future, and freedom?

Simply put, your decision to do drugs was 100% of your own doing, just like joining ROTC and/or the Military.



Well last time I checked, we had a special place for people who chose to "not necessarily abide by the law". Hopefully you'll realize the error of your ways before you end up on vacation at one of those special resorts.

BTW, study up on the Constitution, kid. We CAN change the laws of this country with a majority vote in congress.....it's called Democracy.

Are you initiating those votes in congress? I don't believe so. Your vote does not mean anything unless you send it to the two major political parties with the same agenda behind them: making money.

If I end up in jail, then that's under circumstance alone, as criminals like myself get away with things every day, and it's purely by chance that anyone is ever caught and reprimanded for their actions. By the by, I've been caught before by police with drugs and been let off.

No drug dealer ever came to me wanting to sell drugs, I researched them for myself and administered them myself without any other help from people near me. You, like everyone else here, don't know my situation or my past and can't speak for anyone except yourself, to which you've done nothing so far; all you can do is reply to people by telling them they're wrong.

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Santabot

Are you initiating those votes in congress? I don't believe so. Your vote does not mean anything unless you send it to the two major political parties with the same agenda behind them: making money.

1.)That's why it's called a Republic, kid. Get used to it.
2.) I'm a conservative, not interested in initiating or even supporting a change to the constitution.
3.) I have been proud to cast my vote for one of the 2 major political parties since I was old enough to vote. Feel free to waste your vote on any third party candidate of your choice as often as you see fit.

If I end up in jail, then that's under circumstance alone, as criminals like myself get away with things every day, and it's purely by chance that anyone is ever caught and reprimanded for their actions. By the by, I've been caught before by police with drugs and been let off.

Honesty, another difference between children/criminals and adults. Pretty soon you won't have that excuse so you better make sure that buzz is worth a permanent record.

No drug dealer ever came to me wanting to sell drugs, I researched them for myself and administered them myself without any other help from people near me. You, like everyone else here, don't know my situation or my past and can't speak for anyone except yourself, to which you've done nothing so far; all you can do is reply to people by telling them they're wrong.

Actually everyone here has been 17 and I'm sure more than are willing to admit have experimented with drugs. I don't have to know your past to know your situation and where it will lead you, kid. I can give you a list of friends I buried to prove it.

[Santabot]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

1.)That's why it's called a Republic, kid. Get used to it.
2.) I'm a conservative, not interested in initiating or even supporting a change to the constitution.
3.) I have been proud to cast my vote for one of the 2 major political parties since I was old enough to vote. Feel free to waste your vote on any third party candidate of your choice as often as you see fit.

But why is it a third-party and not a legitimately considered and supported opportunity for others to branch out and support less popularized and lesser known ideas? Because people view it as a waste to support those who are known by history's showing that their vote will not be seen in the large scheme of things.

Honesty, another difference between children/criminals and adults. Pretty soon you won't have that excuse so you better make sure that buzz is worth a permanent record.

I have no record, and don't ever hope to have one in the United States, I will almost certainly be emigrating immediately after getting my free education offered by my scholastic achievements and them moving on to better places.

Actually everyone here has been 17 and I'm sure more than are willing to admit have experimented with drugs. I don't have to know your past to know your situation and where it will lead you, kid. I can give you a list of friends I buried to prove it.

You don't even know me, nor anything about my drug use or personality at all. You can tell me everything you want, but the only information you have is my age, and if it floats your paper boat to try to disassemble my moral foundation, so be it, do as you please, but I will believe and permeate those ideas I see fit, just like you ignore and filter what I say to you and others, got it?

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Santabot

But why is it a third-party and not a legitimately considered and supported opportunity for others to branch out and support less popularized and lesser known ideas? Because people view it as a waste to support those who are known by history's showing that their vote will not be seen in the large scheme of things.

Because the next number in line after 2 is 3?!?!?!!

If you want to know why third parties aren't popular, try talking to people outside of your circle.

I have no record, and don't ever hope to have one in the United States, I will almost certainly be emigrating immediately after getting my free education offered by my scholastic achievements and them moving on to better places.

Well good luck with that. We'll see you back when you figure out what the Found Fathers figured out more than 2 centuries ago.

You don't even know me, nor anything about my drug use or personality at all. You can tell me everything you want, but the only information you have is my age, and if it floats your paper boat to try to disassemble my moral foundation, so be it, do as you please, but I will believe and permeate those ideas I see fit, just like you ignore and filter what I say to you and others, got it?

Most of us here "got" a depth of perception you've yet to achieve kid. It's not because you're stupid or where you live, it's because you're 17.

and you know what.....I don't care how you feel about that because you will get over it, you will grow up, you will come to realize the truth just like so many of us have done before you.....assuming you don't wind up dead in a ditch first.

[Isabella]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

1.)That's why it's called a Republic, kid. Get used to it.
2.) I'm a conservative, not interested in initiating or even supporting a change to the constitution.
3.) I have been proud to cast my vote for one of the 2 major political parties since I was old enough to vote. Feel free to waste your vote on any third party candidate of your choice as often as you see fit.


Honesty, another difference between children/criminals and adults. Pretty soon you won't have that excuse so you better make sure that buzz is worth a permanent record.


Actually everyone here has been 17 and I'm sure more than are willing to admit have experimented with drugs. I don't have to know your past to know your situation and where it will lead you, kid. I can give you a list of friends I buried to prove it.

Hooray for BS!

[Texasbelle]

Originally Posted by Isabella

Hooray for BS!

Go Brain..

[refugen3]

Originally Posted by Santabot

Are you initiating those votes in congress? I don't believe so. Your vote does not mean anything unless you send it to the two major political parties with the same agenda behind them: making money.

If I end up in jail, then that's under circumstance alone, as criminals like myself get away with things every day, and it's purely by chance that anyone is ever caught and reprimanded for their actions. By the by, I've been caught before by police with drugs and been let off.

No drug dealer ever came to me wanting to sell drugs, I researched them for myself and administered them myself without any other help from people near me. You, like everyone else here, don't know my situation or my past and can't speak for anyone except yourself, to which you've done nothing so far; all you can do is reply to people by telling them they're wrong.

Although I, like many others on this site don't agree with most of your views I do see a passion in your responses.
I haven't been on for a while, ( life gets in the way) but I see you have some strong opinions.

1st - I have struggled at times with the pres. candidates, but have always voted the lesser evil. If all people came to the plate as you thinking their vote doesn't count we would leave it up to others who are bold enough to do so. I for one will vote in every election - research what is available and make the best decision for me. There are times I would prefer to vote for an independant candidate - but as you say it seems meaningless to do so. ( Ross Perot)

2nd - It's shameful, in my opinion, that a person would disobey the law on purpose because they do not fear being caught. I would hope all persons would have enough sense to realize that in hurting themselves ( be it alcohol, drugs (perscribed or otherwise), nicotine, driving irresponsibly, misuse of guns, stealing, prostitution, gambling, lying etc. etc.) you ultimately hurt others. If you think this is untrue, you decieve yourself

3rd one of my favorite quotes is this " Test all things; hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil." Saul of Tarsus

[Texasbelle]

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