Is Christianity In Trouble?

[Al Swearengen]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

That's fear of the known. We know for a fact what happens when a trains hits anything. We know what happens when fire burns, we know that a fall from just 10ft. has a 50% chance of killing someone. There is even photographic evidence to support these outcomes and enough instances to show a highly predictable pattern.

Your justification is on par with being scared of the dark because of the boogie man. An entity no rational person has ever seen, spoken to, or photographed. There is no evidence to support your beliefs and no verifiable data to suggest a predictable outcome. Your entire system of beliefs is based on faith.



Well obviously I'm not the least bit worried about your opinions or the alleged consequences of mine. After all, you think I'm lying simple because the words I speak go against your faith.......damn me and the 4-billion others on this planet who have a viewpoint that doesn't reflect Christian beliefs, right?

Or are you about to tell me heaven is full of Islamics, Jews, and Hindus because they aren't atheist.

I've never had any problem admitting that my beliefs are faith-based. You're missing the point, Brain. FEAR IS FEAR! Fear of the unknown, the known, of spiders, of enclosures, of germs...of fear itself. No matter how ya look at it, fear is fear. And since we're talking about a being so powerful it is beyond our comprehension, I think you'd be well advised to cultivate a healthy fear of Him. Might be the prudent course o action to take, eh? He is, after all, the God of the Universe, the Creator. You want proof of his existence? Take a look around you. You're walking on it, you're breathing it, eating it...you're living it! Theres your proof. Damnation...you can lead a horse to water, eh?

Per "Pascal's Wager", it should be crystal clear to you by now, Brain, that the only intelligent, rational, logical, sane choice is to believe. If you follow this line of reasoning to it's inevitable conclusion, you'll come to see that there really IS NO CHOICE! Take that leap o faith, and if He exists, you will be rewarded, if He does not exist, you've lost nothing. If you dont take that leap o faith and it turns out there IS a God, you're pretty much up **** creek, get it? See how that works? Pretty simple isnt it? Even a child can understand it. But maybe I've given you too much credit in assuming you've comprehended the concept? I'll tell ya what Brain, you dont talk like any confirmed catholic I ever knew, and Ive known a few.

Well obviously Im not the least bit worried about your opinions or the alleged consequences of mine

No? Well maybe you SHOULD be worried. Its only your soul we're talkin about here, right? Are you prepared to take that risk? Maybe its time for you to rethink your position. Your number could come up at any time...any time. Now, the Christian in me is worried FOR you, even if you're not worried for yourself...on the other hand, the fatally flawed sinner in me doesnt give a rat's ass and is perfectly content to sit back and watch as you proceed on your merry way to oblivion. Oops, looks like the sinner in me won out have a nice trip!

[Isaac-Saxxon]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

I've never had any problem admitting that my beliefs are faith-based. You're missing the point, Brain. FEAR IS FEAR! Fear of the unknown, the known, of spiders, of enclosures, of germs...of fear itself. No matter how ya look at it, fear is fear. And since we're talking about a being so powerful it is beyond our comprehension, I think you'd be well advised to cultivate a healthy fear of Him. Might be the prudent course o action to take, eh? He is the God of the universe, the creator. You want proof of his existence? Take a look around you. You're walking on it, you're breathing it, eating it...you're living it! Theres your proof. Damnation...you can lead a horse to water, eh?

Per "Pascal's Wager", it should be crystal clear to you by now, Brain, that the only intelligent, rational, logical, sane choice is to believe. If you follow this line of reasoning to it's inevitable conclusion, you come to see that there really IS NO CHOICE! Take that leap o faith, and if He exists, you will be rewarded, if He does not exist, you've lost nothing. If you dont take that leap o faith and it turns out there IS a God, you're pretty much up **** creek, get it? See how that works? Pretty simple isnt it? Even a child can understand it. Maybe I've given you too much credit in assuming you've comprehended the concept? I'll tell ya what Brain, you dont talk like any confirmed catholic I ever knew, and Ive known a few.



No? Well maybe you should be worried. Its only your soul we're talkin about here, right? Maybe its time for you to rethink your position here. Your number could come up at any time...any time. Now, the Christian in me is worried FOR you, even if you're not worried for yourself...on the other hand, the fatally flawed sinner in me doesnt give a **** and is perfectly content to sit back and watch as you proceed on your merry way to oblivion. Oops, looks like the sinner in me won out have a nice trip!

There is that sinner in all men and I too feel the "exact" same way. I want to try to be nice to this guy but the sinner in me too feels like well let the man walk on into the fire we have reached out the olive branch only to come back with teeth marks on the back of our hand. Luke 12 Lazereth and the Rich Man and if he could only go back and tell his brothers but it was written they had the Moses and the prophets and they too would not listen. I have to agree with Al "Brain, you don't talk like any confirmed catholic I ever knew, and I've known a few." ! He seems to enjoy the ways of the world and his wisdom exceeds all never admitting he is wrong. Life will deal us all its cards so Brain you feel bullet proof at 36 you are past the event horizon and just to blind to see it.
Isaac

[Isaac-Saxxon]

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[LateNight]

Just some thoughts. While everyone here tries to persuade Brain to change his views..

Anyone who knows me well, will tell you I'm not a "religious" person. But I've been intrigued by much of the discussion here. Especially the views from Isaac and his dislike for "Organized" religion. Probably views I can relate to more than anything else. Makes me thing maybe there's hope for one such as me, cause you are not very likely to find me in a church.

Me personally, I feel that as it has been THROUGH OUT TIME.. man looks to a higher being. Be it a sun god, or what have you. Man has always looked for answers, hoping against hope there be some kind of afterlife, be it in heaven or some other paradise. Hoping against hope that when it's all over, there's something to be had other than the BIG DIRT NAP.

And now I listen to Brains arguments.. he's all about PHYSICAL proof. He's got to be able to see, feel, scientifically proven, everything before he will accept anything. And I can appreciate this. I tend to be very analytical as well. This notion of an All Powerful being just seems to incredible to be true.. I've grown up in a time, where we've gone to the moon, sent satellites to the edge of our solar system. And where scientist make new discoveries all the time. So I understand why Brain likes to throw out facts and numbers to try and prove his side of the argument.

As I get older, I've witnessed things.. terrible things.. and personally the passing of my father and TWO of my older brothers. So it would be easy for me to say how could Any god allow such things to happen. Who would make my mother have to witness such things.

But I'll tell you something else.. some years ago, I witnessed first hand the miracle that was the birth of my two children. I know first hand I've had angles on my shoulder more than a few times, where either I or friends of mine should all be dead, except for no other reason, we had angles on our side. I take comfort in knowing my brothers and father are together once again, and looking down on us all.

I can believe in the Big-Bang theory, but I still have to ask myself what came before that, and who or what is responsible. I can believe in the Big-Bang theory, but the odds of this planet forming as it has, in just the right spot, and for life to form on it.. a million things had to play out just right.

at times I envy those who are full of faith, although mine is shaky sometimes at best.. as man has done throughout time.. I hope and pray, I look to the sky for answers, take in the miracle of life around me. And try to live a good life.

It may be ol' Brain just hasn't witnessed enough. But I will not pass any kind of judgement.

[rhertz]

Al certainly has a way with words don’t he? I think “Al” is a mixture of the man behind the avatar, along with some old time values and old time ways that have a certain nostalgic appeal in modern society. At first I wasn’t so sure, but now I think he picked his avatar well to suit his beliefs. Better than I did with the Pug.

I don’t have any stats to back me up, but I heard that statistically speaking, the “Wild West” (where people bore arms regularly) was safer than today’s relatively wimpy society where guns are bad. In my humble opinion, if someone doesn’t fear God, then they better fear Smith and Wesson, or else I might have a big problem on my hands.

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by LateNight

Just some thoughts. While everyone here tries to persuade Brain to change his views..

Anyone who knows me well, will tell you I'm not a "religious" person. But I've been intrigued by much of the discussion here. Especially the views from Isaac and his dislike for "Organized" religion. Probably views I can relate to more than anything else. Makes me thing maybe there's hope for one such as me, cause you are not very likely to find me in a church.

Me personally, I feel that as it has been THROUGH OUT TIME.. man looks to a higher being. Be it a sun god, or what have you. Man has always looked for answers, hoping against hope there be some kind of afterlife, be it in heaven or some other paradise. Hoping against hope that when it's all over, there's something to be had other than the BIG DIRT NAP.

And now I listen to Brains arguments.. he's all about PHYSICAL proof. He's got to be able to see, feel, scientifically proven, everything before he will accept anything. And I can appreciate this. I tend to be very analytical as well. This notion of an All Powerful being just seems to incredible to be true.. I've grown up in a time, where we've gone to the moon, sent satellites to the edge of our solar system. And where scientist make new discoveries all the time. So I understand why Brain likes to throw out facts and numbers to try and prove his side of the argument.

As I get older, I've witnessed things.. terrible things.. and personally the passing of my father and TWO of my older brothers. So it would be easy for me to say how could Any god allow such things to happen. Who would make my mother have to witness such things.

But I'll tell you something else.. some years ago, I witnessed first hand the miracle that was the birth of my two children. I know first hand I've had angles on my shoulder more than a few times, where either I or friends of mine should all be dead, except for no other reason, we had angles on our side. I take comfort in knowing my brothers and father are together once again, and looking down on us all.

I can believe in the Big-Bang theory, but I still have to ask myself what came before that, and who or what is responsible. I can believe in the Big-Bang theory, but the odds of this planet forming as it has, in just the right spot, and for life to form on it.. a million things had to play out just right.

at times I envy those who are full of faith, although mine is shaky sometimes at best.. as man has done throughout time.. I hope and pray, I look to the sky for answers, take in the miracle of life around me. And try to live a good life.

It may be ol' Brain just hasn't witnessed enough. But I will not pass any kind of judgement.

1. Child birth is not a miracle. It's the result of a meeting between egg and sperm AND the result is the same for every single sexually reproducing creature on this planet.

2. The Big Bang is a theory.....is it so hard to believe that the universe simply could have always existed? Hasn't their god always existed?

3. I understand what you are saying about the existence of life on this planet. What about the meteorite discovered in 1996 with signs of microbial life from mars? While it hasn't be confirmed to BE evidence of life, they certainly can't disprove it either.....isn't that one of the religious justifications....that we can't prove god doesn't exist?

Simply put, just because WE are the only form of intelligent life that WE know about.....that's doesn't make Earth the sole location for life in the universe. For instance, there IS underwater volcanic activity on Io, one of the moons of Jupiter. The exciting phenomenon here is that there are life forms on Earth that have developed around underwater volcanic vents that have never been exposed to sunlight or even warmth from the sun. The problem, how do we get to Io (approximately 372,000,000 miles), burrow through hundreds of feet of ice, then get a submarine down low enough to examine their volcanic vents for forms of life.....all without any mishaps since we can't simply pull into a dock or orbiting space station for repairs.

Understand why our knowledge of the solar system much less the entire universe is so limited?

[scarlett]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

1. Child birth is not a miracle. It's the result of a meeting between egg and sperm AND the result is the same for every single sexually reproducing creature on this planet.

I would feel that most people think child birth is a miracle. The meeting of an egg and sperm then creating a human being is a miracle.

You are just a very difficult person and love to argue. You have your opinions and everyone else has theirs. I would still think that most would disagree that this is not a miracle.

I do feel for you whether you would like me to or not.

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by scarlett

I would feel that most people think child birth is a miracle. The meeting of an egg and sperm then creating a human being is a miracle.

You are just a very difficult person and love to argue. You have your opinions and everyone else has theirs. I would still think that most would disagree that this is not a miracle.

I do feel for you whether you would like me to or not.

I don't hate or even dislike you at all Scarlett.

I don't judge a person's worth by their words, but rather by their actions......and you and I simply don't know each other in real life, therefore it's practically impossible for you to do something I would find offensive....unless of course you think your opinion matters when I'm going through something highly emotional, life altering, and devastating, like losing a girlfriend AND being the prime suspect in her murder. That's why I have no use for Isabelle....she never called me guilty, but she certainly was less that sympathetic. In fact, I'd go as far as to say she will respond to this post with something to the extent of it was MY fault.....even knowing shes on my ignore list. She's one of those people who cares more about what others think than about doing the right thing. It was fun to ridicule Tracy and be a part of the "in crowd"...forget that his life was falling apart and getting worse by the minute. That won her a spot on my ignore list....and as I stated, she won't let this slide because what you think about her is more important than what she does.

Now, as far as child birth being a "miracle".....maybe our definitions of what constitutes a miracle differ here. In my opinion, a "miracle" is something which has no scientific explanation. Conception, the resulting pregnancy and child birth all have scientific explanation and can be replicated on any corner of the globe....Immaculate conception would be a miracle.

[LateNight]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

1. Child birth is not a miracle. It's the result of a meeting between egg and sperm AND the result is the same for every single sexually reproducing creature on this planet.

Well.. I ain't an idiot, and I understand how it all works. But I'll bet dollars to doughnuts you don't have any kids, but hey, I could be wrong too. Still I would beg to differ. The site of my wife holding our new born baby was nothing short of miraculous. So we'll agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

3. I understand what you are saying about the existence of life on this planet. What about the meteorite discovered in 1996 with signs of microbial life from mars? While it hasn't be confirmed to BE evidence of life, they certainly can't disprove it either.....

And maybe life on this planet was formed by the mass exodus of creatures from mars Millions of years ago. Some questions are too big for us to ask, or to at least expect answers for any time soon.

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

Simply put, just because WE are the only form of intelligent life that WE know about.....that's doesn't make Earth the sole location for life in the universe. For instance, there IS underwater volcanic activity on Io, one of the moons of Jupiter.

I understand about Io, shoot I'd love for them to find some form of fossils or the like on Mars as well. Finding some form of life, be it fossils, bacteria or another sentient being on another planet.. This doesn't change my faith or belief, or keep me from asking the bigger questions.

It's a big world, it's a wonderful world, and I've experienced some crazy ****. I can't simply explain it all away with science and numbers. Who knows.. just maybe the jokes on you

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

I've never had any problem admitting that my beliefs are faith-based.

Very good, that's all I wanted to hear/read.

You're missing the point, Brain. FEAR IS FEAR! Fear of the unknown, the known, of spiders, of enclosures, of germs...of fear itself. No matter how ya look at it, fear is fear.

I see, so in your opinion, being scared of the dark is the same as the fear of being shot. Well that's simply not true.

What you are describing is a phobia, not a fear.

Phobia: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

And since we're talking about a being so powerful it is beyond our comprehension, I think you'd be well advised to cultivate a healthy fear of Him. Might be the prudent course o action to take, eh? He is, after all, the God of the Universe, the Creator. You want proof of his existence? Take a look around you. You're walking on it, you're breathing it, eating it...you're living it! Theres your proof. Damnation...you can lead a horse to water, eh?

What you have described can easily be defined as the results of evolution....not to mention we have fossil evidence to support that theory rather than 1 book written by the single most deceptive creatures this world has ever seen.

Per "Pascal's Wager", it should be crystal clear to you by now, Brain, that the only intelligent, rational, logical, sane choice is to believe.

You sound like a common middle eastern terrorist.

If you follow this line of reasoning to it's inevitable conclusion, you'll come to see that there really IS NO CHOICE!

Are you sure your name isn't Akmed or Abdul?

Take that leap o faith, and if He exists, you will be rewarded, if He does not exist, you've lost nothing. If you dont take that leap o faith and it turns out there IS a God, you're pretty much up **** creek, get it?

Better to have lived my life a free man than to bow because of an exaggerated and irrational fear.

See how that works? Pretty simple isnt it? Even a child can understand it. But maybe I've given you too much credit in assuming you've comprehended the concept? I'll tell ya what Brain, you dont talk like any confirmed catholic I ever knew, and Ive known a few.

I see, so since I don't fit into your perfect little mold....I must be the one lying. The person you talk to everyday, the man who will answer any question you ask, RATHER than the figment of someone elses imagination that you have never seen, heard, or had what can be called a conversation (oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas).

and you think I'm the crazy one......

No? Well maybe you SHOULD be worried. Its only your soul we're talkin about here, right? Are you prepared to take that risk?

Daily

Maybe its time for you to rethink your position. Your number could come up at any time...any time.

Just like I am not afraid of your god, I am not afraid of death. Although I'll admit I'm not looking forward to it, I HAVE led a good life and have spent roughly the last 3rd of it giving back to the community I took so much from during my youth.

Now, the Christian in me is worried FOR you, even if you're not worried for yourself

Yes well stop wasting your good worries on folks who don't need it. I am Catholic.....do you even understand what that means? Here's a hint, I have the best of both worlds.

...on the other hand, the fatally flawed sinner in me doesnt give a rat's ass and is perfectly content to sit back and watch as you proceed on your merry way to oblivion. Oops, looks like the sinner in me won out have a nice trip!

Who would have thought that a Christian couldn't keep his own sinful nature locked away.......certainly not anyone who posted several pages worth of atrocities committed in the name of your god.

You should have read it....I bet there was at least one group of people you would have put the sword to also, had you the legal authority to do so.`

[Al Swearengen]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

Very good, that's all I wanted to hear/read.

I see, so in your opinion, being scared of the dark is the same as the fear of being shot. Well that's simply not true.

What you are describing is a phobia, not a fear.

Last time I checked, phobias qualified as fears.

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

phobia: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

Just because a particular fear is exaggerated, inexplicable or illogical doesnt make it any less powerful or compelling.

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

What you have described can easily be defined as the results of evolution....not to mention we have fossil evidence to support that theory rather than 1 book written by the single most deceptive creatures this world has ever seen.

Deceptive? The God of the Universe is "deceptive"? Exactly HOW have you been deceived, mister?

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

You sound like a common middle eastern terrorist

I cant make it any plainer than I have. Its definitly in YOUR best interest to believe in God, but I'm thru wasting my time trying to explain it to ya. Have it your way, pal.

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

Are you sure your name isn't Akmed or Abdul?

I called my mother in San Antonio and she assures me those are not my names.

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

Better to have lived my life a free man than to bow because of an exaggerated and irrational fear.

"Free man" eh? NOW we're getting somewhere. See, I've suspected all along that the real issue here is that you want to live by your own rules. You dont like the idea of being held accountable by a higher power when this earthly life comes to an end...well thats just too bad. Ive got news for ya Jack, youre in for a rude awakening.

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

I see, so since I don't fit into your perfect little mold....I must be the one lying. The person you talk to everyday, the man who will answer any question you ask, RATHER than the figment of someone elses imagination that you have never seen, heard, or had what can be called a conversation (oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas).

and you think I'm the crazy one......

Trust me Brain, if I had a "perfect little mold" I'd never claim ya as one of MY creations.

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

Just like I am not afraid of your god, I am not afraid of death. Although I'll admit I'm not looking forward to it, I HAVE led a good life and have spent roughly the last 3rd of it giving back to the community I took so much from during my youth.

Youre "not afraid of MY God"? Oh I see, so God only has dominion over everyone else, but not YOU? Forgive me, I didnt realize the messege board was being graced with the Almighty Brain Smasher, Lord Of All He Surveys"...who'll bow to NO God, much less any mortal man.

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

Yes well stop wasting your good worries on folks who don't need it. I am Catholic.....do you even understand what that means? Here's a hint, I have the best of both worlds.

One minute youre atheist, the next youre catholic. You aint got the foggiest notion what ya wanna be, do ya? It'd be nice if you'd make up your mind. "Best of both worlds"? Well I'll tell ya, if you think being catholic is "the best of both worlds, think about this...Catholics cant commit suicide. Thats right genius, if you end up with some terminal, wasting disease that takes it's sweetass time tuckin ya in for your dirtnap, sparing yourself all that misery isnt an option FOR YOU.

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

Who would have thought that a Christian couldn't keep his own sinful nature locked away.......certainly not anyone who posted several pages worth of atrocities committed in the name of your god.

Oh, I COULD'VE kept it "locked away", its just that in your case I figured I'd make an exception.

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

You should have read it....I bet there was at least one group of people you would have put the sword to also, had you the legal authority to do so.`

Oh, make no mistake Brain, theres a WHOLE LOTTA people I'd put to the sword, were it in my power, and I wouldnt lose a minute's sleep over it. You can count on that!

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

Deceptive? The God of the Universe is "deceptive"? Exactly HOW have you been deceived, mister?

By the author who told you he was "divinely inspired"?

I cant make it any plainer than I have. Its definitly in YOUR best interest to believe in God, but I'm thru wasting my time trying to explain it to ya. Have it your way, pal.

I called my mother in San Antonio and she assures me those are not my names.

Thank you and I am glad...

"Free man" eh? NOW we're getting somewhere. See, I've suspected all along that the real issue here is that you want to live by your own rules. You dont like the idea of being held accountable by a higher power when this earthly life comes to an end...well thats just too bad. Ive got news for ya Jack, youre in for a rude awakening.

Ahhh, of course....since I'm not a Christian I can't possibly define my own beliefs....right?

Nice try buddy, but man is at the top of the ladder....get used to it.

Trust me Brain, if I had a "perfect little mold" I'd never claim ya as one of MY creations.

Youre "not afraid of MY God"? Oh I see, so God only has dominion over everyone else, but not YOU? Forgive me, I didnt realize the messege board was being graced with the Almighty Brain Smasher, Lord Of All He Surveys"...who'll bow to NO God, much less any mortal man.

Crazed ramblings as far as I can tell. Obviously I'm not the only person exempt from "the powers" of your god.

One minute youre atheist, the next youre catholic. You aint got the foggiest notion what ya wanna be, do ya? It'd be nice if you'd make up your mind. "Best of both worlds"? Well I'll tell ya, if you think being catholic is "the best of both worlds, think about this...Catholics cant commit suicide. Thats right genius, if you end up with some terminal, wasting disease that takes it's sweetass time tuckin ya into your dirtnap, sparing yourself all that misery isnt an option FOR YOU.

OMG dude....are you a f***** psycho? Suicide is never an option for sane individuals and I really don't even know how to respond other than to say you have struck a major blow to my opinion of your mental stability.

BTW, I never said I was atheist....you did.....and completing the required rituals earns me the title of confirmed Catholic.

Oh, make no mistake Brain, theres a WHOLE LOTTA people I'd put to the sword, were it in my power, and I wouldnt lose a minute's sleep over it. You can count on that!

I have no doubt....

[Al Swearengen]

Since Im not a Christian I cant define my own beliefs?

Again, make up your befuddled mind, if you are CATHOLIC then you are CHRISTIAN.

Nice try buddy, but man is at the top of the ladder...get used to it

Top of the ladder eh? Ya mean HERE, on Earth? Not quite. Mother nature, which could be interpreted as a facet of God's power, has no equal.

Im not the only person exempt from "the powers" of your God

Oh man, are you for real?

OMG dude...are you a ***** psycho? SUICIDE IS NEVER AN OPTION FOR SANE INDIVIDUALS and I really dont even know how to respond other than to say you have struck a major blow to my opinion of your mental stability.

Yes, dude, Im a ****in psycho. I MUST be, since I've been spending all this time trying to understand the horse**** that gets pounded out of your keyboard. IF, and I say IF you EVER had any credibility, you ran fresh out with your last post (not that I dont enjoy them, theyre very amusing) on this thread. Maybe someday when you get diagnosed with some dreaded incurable disease involving alot of pain and suffering you'll change your tune about how sane suicide is. I think it's a safe bet you'll have a change of heart. But thatll just be tough titty, wont it, since you're a catholic and catholics believe suicide leads straight to Hell. Have a nice day.

By the way, I never said I was an atheist, you did

Maybe you never specifically SAID you were an atheist, but you sure as hell implied it. I think everyone would agree on that.

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

Again, make up your befuddled mind, if you are CATHOLIC then you are CHRISTIAN.

Fine, have it your way.....I have completed the rituals and earned the title of Confirmed Catholic.....if that makes me a Christian in your eyes, then so bit it. That certainly wouldn't be the first mistake made by a Christian and his/her warped sense of beliefs.

Top of the ladder eh? Ya mean HERE, on Earth? Not quite. Mother nature, which could be interpreted as a facet of God's power, has no equal.

Actually Mother Nature has met her superior. Notice man tends to alter the environment to suit our needs rather than us adapting to the environment. For instance, I'm betting you are in a dry, climate controlled building today as opposed to standing in the rain.

Oh man, are you for real?

I think that's the question you should be asking of those that bow to imaginary beings....

Yes, dude, Im a ****in psycho. I MUST be, since I've been spending all this time trying to understand the horse**** that gets pounded out of your keyboard. IF, and I say IF you EVER had any credibility, you ran fresh out with your last post (not that I dont enjoy them, theyre very amusing) on this thread. Maybe someday when you get diagnosed with some dreaded incurable disease involving alot of pain and suffering you'll change your tune about how sane suicide is. I think it's a safe bet you'll have a change of heart. But thatll just be tough titty, wont it, since you're a catholic and catholics believe suicide leads straight to Hell. Have a nice day.

No, I'll never change my mind about the "sanity" of suicide....and you might be surprised to find out that Catholics aren't the only ones who consider it a sin.....Thou Shalt not kill is pretty cut and dry.

Maybe you never specifically SAID you were an atheist, but you sure as hell implied it. I think everyone would agree on that.

Actually Atheist is a religious term, specific to Christianity. In other words, everyone YOU know might agree, but that certainly doesn't make it true.

[Al Swearengen]

Originally Posted by BrainSmashR

Fine, have it your way.....I have completed the rituals and earned the title of Confirmed Catholic.....if that makes me a Christian in your eyes, then so bit it. That certainly wouldn't be the first mistake made by a Christian and his/her warped sense of beliefs.



Actually Mother Nature has met her superior. Notice man tends to alter the environment to suit our needs rather than us adapting to the environment. For instance, I'm betting you are in a dry, climate controlled building today as opposed to standing in the rain.


I think that's the question you should be asking of those that bow to imaginary beings....


No, I'll never change my mind about the "sanity" of suicide....and you might be surprised to find out that Catholics aren't the only ones who consider it a sin.....Thou Shalt not kill is pretty cut and dry.

Actually Atheist is a religious term, specific to Christianity. In other words, everyone YOU know might agree, but that certainly doesn't make it true.

First of all, its not MY way, thats just the way it is. Catholics are considered Christians. Have been for quite some time now. I had nothing to do with it. Why did you bother completing the rituals to earn the title if you dont hold the doctrine to be true? Oh, I know, its because youre speaking in tenses, right? Stop with the semantics already. You've done such a thorough job of muddying the waters that its no longer clear where you stand. Congradulations on your blithering idiocy!

"Mother nature has met her superior"? Yeah right, thats why Katrina and Rita kicked our asses, because man is superior. You've been taking those smart pills again, havent ya?

As for suicide, everyone thinks its a sin, but as far as I know, only Catholics believe its unredeemable.

And "atheism" is NOT Christian specific. Look it up. "A"theistic means non theistic, just as "a"moral means not moral.