Minimum Wages Goes Up Today

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by joepole

The WTC was not the center of capitalism in the western world. The NY and London Stock Exchanges (and, to a lesser extent the US Federal Reserve Bank) were/are.

OK, that is probably true, but you get my point. It was not the WSC (World Socialism Center) or the WRC (World Religion Center) that they attacked.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

I am against this minimum wage increase. With that said I guess all the people that work at SBLive will be getting a raise
Hey rherz I am so glad to see you put your foot down so hard on something so political

[piemaker720]

Okay, now the truth comes out. The little people don't count and should not be allowed a raise of any sort. Even the people in fast foods that wait on your sorry butts. If a company owner would give raises without the government making them, then the government would not intervene. It was already said that this was the first raise in 10 YEARS. You can say a company would pay more if the workers worked harder, but you can also say a worker would work harder if the company paid more. Business owners have had 10 years of financial peace without the governments intervention, now it is the workers turn. You know I use to work at a restaurant in Jonesboro, when I started I made 90 cents a hour, when I quit and moved here I was making $3.00 a hour, it took 30 years to get a $2.10 raise. The customers use to tell us we were worth an egg a hour because that is what 1 egg and a piece of toast cost on the menu. So excuse me if I don't have pity for ya.

[joepole]

Employers (by definition) pay employees what they're worth. Nobody deserves to have their salary artificially inflated by the government, that does nothing but hurt the rest of the country.

If you worked at a minimum wage job for thirty years then there is something wrong with you. At no point in those three decades did you develop a skill that someone in the universe felt was worth more than what the government mandated was the bare minimum allowable by law? How are you able to operate a computer?

[joepole]

>should not be allowed a raise of any sort.

Who said anything about allowed? We're talking about mandated. The minimum wage is nothing more than welfare that paid directly by the employer instead of filtering through the treasury.

"Your skills are actually worth $3/hour, but we're demanding you get paid twice that because...well...because there are a lot of stupid people in this country and they voted themselves money because they don't know anything about economics."

[piemaker720]

Originally Posted by joepole

Employers (by definition) pay employees what they're worth. Nobody deserves to have their salary artificially inflated by the government, that does nothing but hurt the rest of the country.

If you worked at a minimum wage job for thirty years then there is something wrong with you. At no point in those three decades did you develop a skill that someone in the universe felt was worth more than what the government mandated was the bare minimum allowable by law? How are you able to operate a computer?

I did not work for a straight 30 years for this company, I worked on and off for this company. It was just a tight waded employer that couldn't let go of a nickel, that is the reason the man always needs help, he can't keep help because of low pay. As far as my skill, I can work a computer, I am also a CNA, Emt, a first responder, I also worked in a paper mill, so I have plenty of skills, though it's none of your business what skills I have. I on the other hand wonder about your skills.

[joepole]

If you weren't being paid what you were worth, why did you work there? Since you agreed to work for that money, you obviously felt you were being compensated appropriately and since the guy is still in business after thirty years he apparently pays his employees an acceptable amount.

[piemaker720]

Originally Posted by joepole

If you weren't being paid what you were worth, why did you work there? Since you agreed to work for that money, you obviously felt you were being compensated appropriately and since the guy is still in business after thirty years he apparently pays his employees an acceptable amount.

You know no one can talk to you. You are rude, sarcastic and annoying to all of us. So blow it out your BUTT.

[Isabella]

I am not for the increase either. If an employee is good then they will be paid accordingly. Best example, I have two employees, one works for minimum wage and the other I pay $8 per hour. The minimum wage employee sits around watching TV and works very slow while the other does not watch TV and works fast and does a much better job. Neither are well educated. I am not going to pay someone more than they are worth. When the pay goes over $6 per hour I will no longer employ the minimum wage employee, because I am not going to waste my money. Raising the mininum wage may put many people out of work. There are people who have no education, not very bright and efficient, but you hire them since you don't have to pay them much.

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by piemaker720

Okay, now the truth comes out. The little people don't count and should not be allowed a raise of any sort. Even the people in fast foods that wait on your sorry butts. If a company owner would give raises without the government making them, then the government would not intervene.

Piemaker I understand how you feel, but here is the truth. "Supply and Demand" is your friend, if you understand how it works. Using your example, if there are lots of people available to work in fast food joints, and a limited number of joints to work at, then wages are low. What is the solution? To artificially manipulate the market? Or else perhaps a portion of these fast food workers could go to school and learn a trade that is more "rare" and therefore more valuable and demands a higher wage because the demand is high and supply is low. In other words, "supply and demand" works for people (careers) as well as goods. Now if somone *chooses* to stay in a high supply and low demand job, that is their business, but it doesn't have to be that way.

[piemaker720]

Originally Posted by rhertz

Piemaker I understand how you feel, but here is the truth. "Supply and Demand" is your friend, if you understand how it works. Using your example, if there are lots of people available to work in fast food joints, and a limited number of joints to work at, then wages are low. What is the solution? To artificially manipulate the market? Or else perhaps a portion of these fast food workers could go to school and learn a trade that is more "rare" and therefore more valuable and demands a higher wage because the demand is high and supply is low. In other words, "supply and demand" works for people (careers) as well as goods. Now if somone *chooses* to stay in a high supply and low demand job, that is their business, but it doesn't have to be that way.

I understand what you are trying to say but I still disagree. You say everyone that works for minimum wage should go to school and do better. What about the high school kids that work summers, nights or weekends or the college kids that work their way through school to buy books, pay tution, but they do not deserve a wage increase. What about a retired person that is trying to supplement their retirement income, they don't deserve a wage increase, they should get off their duff and go to school uh. It is not just about fast food jobs, what about Wal-Mart[ your elderly door greeters], your grocery store workers, your convience stores[gas] and so fourth. Then there is the CNA's that take care of your elderly, they don't deserve a wage increase and your elderly don't deserve to be taken care of. Your CNA's go to school, they are state licensed but alot don't make but minimum in small areas. There is a lot of companies that could give raises without being told to but they don't because they say that cuts into the profit, they just don't want to give a raise. So now what happens. My daughter works for Ryan's on Airline, They were just told they would not get any raise because of tips, they stay at $2.13 a hour. She goes to school. At first it was told fast food would go to $4.00 a hour, but guess what, I guess they don't deserve a raise. Supply and Demand, think, who's going to care for you in your golden age, hopefully you want have to be a people greeter.

[Isabella]

Piemaker, it is rare people don't get raises after they have worked for a period of time. The mininum wage is a beginning wage. Normally, if you do a good job then your pay will increase over time. Why do you think college & high school students deserve to make as much as people with years of experience? They are learning how to work.

[piemaker720]

Originally Posted by Isabella

Piemaker, it is rare people don't get raises after they have worked for a period of time. The mininum wage is a beginning wage. Normally, if you do a good job then your pay will increase over time. Why do you think college & high school students deserve to make as much as people with years of experience? They are learning how to work.

This is true they may not need to make as much, I believe if a person stays loyal to a company they should gets raises. But this is the first raise in 10 years, I guess you think the economy has not risen in 10 years. I came from a small town where there was not enough jobs for workers, those companies did not give raises because they didn't have to. In a small town minimum wage is not just a starting wage, it is it. If everyone that had minmum wage jobs went to school to better their self who would then do the job, a retired elderly person that don't count. It may be rare for a person not to get a raise in a large city but it is in a small town. Then you have your CNA's that go to school and they start out at minimum wage. I will tell you because I have been there, It takes a special person to work in a nursing home, they really have to like the elderly and be dedicated, it take alot of patience, love and turning the other cheek to work there. They will never be paid enough in my book.

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by piemaker720

I understand what you are trying to say but I still disagree. You say everyone that works for minimum wage should go to school and do better. What about the high school kids that work summers, nights or weekends or the college kids that work their way through school to buy books, pay tution, but they do not deserve a wage increase. What about a retired person that is trying to supplement their retirement income, they don't deserve a wage increase

OK, lets say that minimum wage goes up 5%. Now what is better? 100,000 people working making say $6 per hour or 95,000 people working making $6.30 per hour and 5,000 people laid off making nothing? Where do you presume the extra 5% comes from? Thin air? Out of the employer's pocket? What if he or she doesn't have it? What then? Shut down and lay off everyone? Is that fair?

[Isabella]

Rhertz, I agree it is not fair. An employer offers a job at a rate of pay he can afford. An individual has the right to accept it or look for a higher wage. If an employer does not give them a raise then the employee has the right to seek another job with higher pay. Me for instance cannot afford to pay someone over $6 to clean my house who works slowly. I will have to let them go. This person has no transportation and depends on employer to give them transportation. How many people are going to be willing to hire this person? She is much better off receiving minumum wage at $5.15 an hour than nothing. She also gets $350 in food stamps each month. I pay social security on her and do not deduct her part out of her pay. She pays no taxes. There is no way I am going to pay someone over $7 an hour to watch TV and do a job that takes 4 hours in 8 hours. I feed her and pay her while she eats, too. I have to hire another person to come every other week to do the work she does not do. I also clean up after her after she leaves. Some people don't deserve to be paid more and these are the people who will suffer. Pay should be determined on perfomance. My husband gets raises he never asks for because he is valuable to his employer.