Minimum Wages Goes Up Today

[joepole]

>You know this is good,

No, this is bad. Everybody else's wages just went down.

[rhertz]

It is always bad when government interferes with market forces. Anytime the government manipulates market forces, it is a slap in the face of capitalism and a vote for, well, something else.

In case nobody noticed, the Al-Qaeda attacks were attacks on Western capitalism. They bombed the world TRADE center, the center of capitalism in the western world. I'm sick and tired of two faced politicians comforting the enemy, and/or opposing capitalism and free enterprise which is what made this country great to begin with. Many Americans died so that I would not have a socialistic governments telling me what I must pay people or else go to jail, (if I am allowed to be in business to begin with)

[joepole]

The WTC was not the center of capitalism in the western world. The NY and London Stock Exchanges (and, to a lesser extent the US Federal Reserve Bank) were/are.

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by joepole

The WTC was not the center of capitalism in the western world. The NY and London Stock Exchanges (and, to a lesser extent the US Federal Reserve Bank) were/are.

OK, that is probably true, but you get my point. It was not the WSC (World Socialism Center) or the WRC (World Religion Center) that they attacked.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

I am against this minimum wage increase. With that said I guess all the people that work at SBLive will be getting a raise
Hey rherz I am so glad to see you put your foot down so hard on something so political

[piemaker720]

Okay, now the truth comes out. The little people don't count and should not be allowed a raise of any sort. Even the people in fast foods that wait on your sorry butts. If a company owner would give raises without the government making them, then the government would not intervene. It was already said that this was the first raise in 10 YEARS. You can say a company would pay more if the workers worked harder, but you can also say a worker would work harder if the company paid more. Business owners have had 10 years of financial peace without the governments intervention, now it is the workers turn. You know I use to work at a restaurant in Jonesboro, when I started I made 90 cents a hour, when I quit and moved here I was making $3.00 a hour, it took 30 years to get a $2.10 raise. The customers use to tell us we were worth an egg a hour because that is what 1 egg and a piece of toast cost on the menu. So excuse me if I don't have pity for ya.

[joepole]

Employers (by definition) pay employees what they're worth. Nobody deserves to have their salary artificially inflated by the government, that does nothing but hurt the rest of the country.

If you worked at a minimum wage job for thirty years then there is something wrong with you. At no point in those three decades did you develop a skill that someone in the universe felt was worth more than what the government mandated was the bare minimum allowable by law? How are you able to operate a computer?

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by piemaker720

Okay, now the truth comes out. The little people don't count and should not be allowed a raise of any sort. Even the people in fast foods that wait on your sorry butts. If a company owner would give raises without the government making them, then the government would not intervene.

Piemaker I understand how you feel, but here is the truth. "Supply and Demand" is your friend, if you understand how it works. Using your example, if there are lots of people available to work in fast food joints, and a limited number of joints to work at, then wages are low. What is the solution? To artificially manipulate the market? Or else perhaps a portion of these fast food workers could go to school and learn a trade that is more "rare" and therefore more valuable and demands a higher wage because the demand is high and supply is low. In other words, "supply and demand" works for people (careers) as well as goods. Now if somone *chooses* to stay in a high supply and low demand job, that is their business, but it doesn't have to be that way.

[howela]

Originally Posted by rhertz

It is always bad when government interferes with market forces. Anytime the government manipulates market forces, it is a slap in the face of capitalism and a vote for, well, something else.

Socialism

[piemaker720]

I would like to know if there is anyone out there that is not an employer that is against the minimum wage raise.

[rhertz]

Originally Posted by piemaker720

I would like to know if there is anyone out there that is not an employer that is against the minimum wage raise.

Piemaker, my company failed to make a profit this month. I am not on the payroll and get paid only when I make money. This month, I worked for free! Or worse, I actually paid for the priviledge to do my job this month. Go figure.....

The only legal way to earn less than minimum wage is to work for oneself. I earned less than minimum wage this month. Where's my government mandated check? (But I'm not expecting one on any moral basis whatsoever)

Another reason minimum wage is a bad idea is that it excluded employers! (the one who should probably be protected the most since we hire others!)

[joepole]

I have no employees and I oppose the minimum wage increase because I have at least a basic grasp of economics processes and how they affect the economy.

[joepole]

>You know no one can talk to you. You are rude, sarcastic and annoying to all of us. So blow it out your BUTT.

In case anyone ever wants to know what the logical fallacy known as "ad hominem" looks like, here's a textbook example. When faced with questions the opponent either doesn't understand or doesn't want to answer, the opponent attacks the person that asked the question instead of answering the actual question.