Ron Paul For President

vixweb · 07-18-2007, 11:18 PM

Ron Paul does have some good ideas. But, like Ross Perot and Steve Forbes, is just a little too strange for "mass consumption". I haven't made up my mind about him just yet. The pickin's will be slim again this election cycle, but we better be smart about who we back up. Someone may have to beat hillary, and that will be mud-slinging like we've never seen.

Al Swearengen · 07-19-2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by vixweb

Ron Paul does have some good ideas. But, like Ross Perot and Steve Forbes, is just a little too strange for "mass consumption". I haven't made up my mind about him just yet. The pickin's will be slim again this election cycle, but we better be smart about who we back up. Someone may have to beat hillary, and that will be mud-slinging like we've never seen.

"Too strange for mass consumption"? How so. Again people, lets give the ad hominem attacks a rest. If you're gonna level accusations like this, it'd be nice if you could cite examples.

Isaac-Saxxon · 07-19-2007, 06:28 AM

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.

Is this not about the man (ish) ? We have a long way to go and many names to be called before election day then the recount oh the recount. That is what lawyers live for the dreaded hanging chad.

vixweb · 07-19-2007, 08:20 AM

Thanks for the clarification on this Isaac! Clearly Al is a little touchy on this-I haven't attacked Ron Paul. Also, the strangeness cited earlier is clearly an opinion, not an accusation, and I don't need to give examples-make up your own mind.

joepole · 07-19-2007, 10:11 AM

An ad hominem attack would be if we discredited Ron Paul by talking about you.

LateNight · 07-19-2007, 11:21 AM

I would be interested to hear, what some of you all don't like about Ron Paul ? To me, just sounded like some of his ideas were very refreshing. But honestly I don't know much about him.

The American · 07-19-2007, 12:25 PM

Against the war in Iraq

Voted against the Patriot Act of 2001 & 2005

Strongly supported by Liberal Democrats after 9/11 due to his viwes on the Iraq war (Austin Chronicle - Liberal weekly newspaper) has a favorable view of Paul by praising him for his strong, principaled opposition to the Patriot Act and the Iraq war.

He is one of only two congressmen who voted against the Rothman-Kirk Resolution which calls on UN to charge Iranian President Mahmond Ahmadinejad with violating the genocide convention and UN charter.

Wants to re-open the 9/11 investigation.

Advocates a "Moral Statement" rather than intervention in humanitarian missions such as Darfur or the Rwandan Genocide.

Endorses Defederalization of the health care system.

Was the only dissenting vote against giving Pope John Paul II, Rosa Parks and Mother Tersa the Congressional Gold Medal.

Critized giving Tony Blair a Gold Medal of Honor - Texas Monthly Awarded him the "Bum Steer" award for voting against a congressional honor for cartoonist Charles Schulz.

Lone member out of 415 voting to oppose a House measure to create a National Archives exhibit on Slavery and Reconstruction as an unauthorized use of taxpayer money.

Opposed the Federal Marriage Amendment in 2004 - proposed amendment to the US Constitution to define marriage in the United States as a union of one man and one woman.

This man is all over the map with his political views and voting record - why would you vote for him as the next President of the United States??????

07-19-2007, 06:28 AM	#3
Isaac-Saxxon SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,421 Rep Power: 340	An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument. Is this not about the man (ish) ? We have a long way to go and many names to be called before election day then the recount oh the recount. That is what lawyers live for the dreaded hanging chad. __________________ Maranatha Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

07-19-2007, 12:25 PM	#7
The American New Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Ron Paul ???? Against the war in Iraq Voted against the Patriot Act of 2001 & 2005 Strongly supported by Liberal Democrats after 9/11 due to his viwes on the Iraq war (Austin Chronicle - Liberal weekly newspaper) has a favorable view of Paul by praising him for his strong, principaled opposition to the Patriot Act and the Iraq war. He is one of only two congressmen who voted against the Rothman-Kirk Resolution which calls on UN to charge Iranian President Mahmond Ahmadinejad with violating the genocide convention and UN charter. Wants to re-open the 9/11 investigation. Advocates a "Moral Statement" rather than intervention in humanitarian missions such as Darfur or the Rwandan Genocide. Endorses Defederalization of the health care system. Was the only dissenting vote against giving Pope John Paul II, Rosa Parks and Mother Tersa the Congressional Gold Medal. Critized giving Tony Blair a Gold Medal of Honor - Texas Monthly Awarded him the "Bum Steer" award for voting against a congressional honor for cartoonist Charles Schulz. Lone member out of 415 voting to oppose a House measure to create a National Archives exhibit on Slavery and Reconstruction as an unauthorized use of taxpayer money. Opposed the Federal Marriage Amendment in 2004 - proposed amendment to the US Constitution to define marriage in the United States as a union of one man and one woman. This man is all over the map with his political views and voting record - why would you vote for him as the next President of the United States??????

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07-18-2007, 11:18 PM	#1
vixweb Advanced Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 55 Posts: 291 Rep Power: 242	Ron Paul does have some good ideas. But, like Ross Perot and Steve Forbes, is just a little too strange for "mass consumption". I haven't made up my mind about him just yet. The pickin's will be slim again this election cycle, but we better be smart about who we back up. Someone may have to beat hillary, and that will be mud-slinging like we've never seen.

07-19-2007, 08:20 AM	#4
vixweb Advanced Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Age: 55 Posts: 291 Rep Power: 242	Thanks for the clarification on this Isaac! Clearly Al is a little touchy on this-I haven't attacked Ron Paul. Also, the strangeness cited earlier is clearly an opinion, not an accusation, and I don't need to give examples-make up your own mind.

07-19-2007, 10:11 AM	#5
joepole SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,606 Rep Power: 281	An ad hominem attack would be if we discredited Ron Paul by talking about you.

07-19-2007, 11:21 AM	#6
LateNight SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,609 Rep Power: 290	I would be interested to hear, what some of you all don't like about Ron Paul ? To me, just sounded like some of his ideas were very refreshing. But honestly I don't know much about him.

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