Toddler falls from a moving SUV

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by joepole

>Then why are there so few deaths per year as a result? NHTSA says that in 2005 there were 450 deaths of children under age 5 as a result of motor vehicle accidents, 151 from unrestrained children. In 2004 (don't have 2005 data available) there were 430 drowning deaths in that same age bracket, despite the fact that there had to be millions of more opportunities to die in a car wreck than to drown.

Who would have thought that passing a car seat law would manifest itself in fewer car related deaths than a practice like swimming which has no law mandating a level of safety.....certainly not some politician who voted in favor of the law, or the constituents who voted that official into office, huh? dumbass.....

BTW, I didn't realize you considered negligent homicide, at any range, an acceptable loss. Now we can add monster to the already extensive list of adjectives used to describe what a piece of **** you are.

So how, exactly, am I a bad parent for doing something relatively safe (driving with the kid unrestrained) but not for doing something relatively dangerous (taking her to the pool)?

You intentionally and habitually break the law in front of your children endangering their lives without any sign of remorse.

You know, Joan Crawford thought she was a good parent too, but it take a lot more than putting a meal on the table everynight, scumbag.

Yes, they do. Anyone that does anything with their child endangers its life.

...but 100% of parents don't intentionally and habitually break the law by willfully and with full knowledge of their actions CHOOSING to ignore safety regulations mandated by law.

You sound like Santabot now trying to justify his drug use. You're breaking the law, period.

My children are at an acceptable level of safety. I place their lives in mortal danger every minute of every day, just as does every parent on the planet does to their children.

That's YOUR acceptable standard of safety, not the one dictated by LAW, and part of the reason you are an unfit parent.

One has to wonder if he/she has ever seen a doctor , I mean the chances of her dying from a cold versus the price of a doctor visit and the cost of medication with a cheap ass piece of **** like your for a father.

I've never argued that car seats aren't safer than no car seats, I've only argued that they protect against such an unlikely event that failure to use them (especially for a short, slow drive home) doesn't constitute enough of a danger to warrant consideration.

Translation, I'm to ****ing lazy to strap my child in and to ****ing cheap to buy a new car seat should the old one get ruined because, again, I'm to ****ing lazy to put a towel in the seat.

BTW, I'm still waiting for that contact information to turn over to the authorities. Or have you finally decided that you are INDEED intentionally and habitually breaking the law regardless of whatever childish excuses you come up with?

[joepole]

>I didn't realize you considered negligent homicide, at any range, an acceptable loss.

I don't, which is why I've never committed it.

>Or have you finally decided that you are INDEED intentionally and habitually breaking the law...?

I never denied I was breaking the law. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've said several times that I knowingly violate the law. So what? Who cares if I'm breaking the law? I'm not going to get caught and even if I did it's a nothing fine. I break laws all the time: speeding, rolling stops at red lights, ordering stuff off the Internet and not notifying the state for the proper sales/use taxes, etc. So what? Since when is the law the arbiter of what is right? The state obviously doesn't think car seats make very much difference, either, since they gave not using one a penalty less than 1/5th of the penalty they give litterers.

>but 100% of parents don't intentionally and habitually break the law by willfully and with full knowledge of their actions CHOOSING to ignore safety regulations mandated by law.

As usual, correct but irrelevant, since I never said anything about anyone breaking the law. Ignoring the law doesn't make you a bad parent any more than following the law makes you a good parent. Driving 5 blocks w/o a car seat means my kid is very, very, very, very, very likely to arrive home safely instead of very, very, very. very. very, very likely to arrive home safely. If I never left the house at all there's a very, very, very. very. very, very, very likely chance that the kid will survive, so why am I not a bad parent for taking the kid outside at all?

>In the case of driving without your child in the car seat, no matter what distance and/or speed, this is lacking on the parental part for taking ALL precautions necessary to ensure your child's safety.

If I was taking ALL precautions necessary to ensure my child's safety I would have it locked in a concrete bunker 24 hours a day. Since I have decided that risking my child's life is worth it, I have to decide in what activities she is allowed to engage. Riding 5 blocks w/o a car seat is an incredibly safe act (as evidenced by the fact that so few children are injured in this manner despite so many participating) that I allow my child to engage in. Going on a parentally supervised trip to the pool is much, much more dangerous than riding 5 blocks w/o a car seat, but I let my child do that, too, because it's still incredibly safe.

[BrainSmashR]

Originally Posted by joepole

I don't, which is why I've never committed it.

I didn't say you were guilty of the crime, stupid. I said you considered loss due to negligent homicide acceptable and unlikely. Isn't that the EXACT excuse you gave for not strapping your child in....playing the odds with her life you piece of ****.

never denied I was breaking the law. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've said several times that I knowingly violate the law. So what? Who cares if I'm breaking the law?

You mean besides the police who you continue to hide your actiosn from and EVERY SINGLE PERSON with the exception of you that's posted on this topic?

I find it equally disturbing that your wife is as careless. Do you beat her into submission or do you just smoke crack and neglect the child together?

I'm not going to get caught and even if I did it's a nothing fine. I break laws all the time: speeding, rolling stops at red lights, ordering stuff off the Internet and not notifying the state for the proper sales/use taxes, etc. So what? Since when is the law the arbiter of what is right? The state obviously doesn't think car seats make very much difference, either, since they gave not using one a penalty less than 1/5th of the penalty they give litterers.

1. Are we supposed to be surprised that a piece of **** callous enough to gamble with the life of his child is ALSO doesn't give a **** about obeying other laws?

2. The Law has the been the arbiter of what is right and wrong since the term "law" was invented.

Law:
1 a (1) : a binding custom or practice of a community : a rule of conduct or action prescribed or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority

As usual, correct but irrelevant, since I never said anything about anyone breaking the law. Ignoring the law doesn't make you a bad parent any more than following the law makes you a good parent. Driving 5 blocks w/o a car seat means my kid is very, very, very, very, very likely to arrive home safely instead of very, very, very. very. very, very likely to arrive home safely. If I never left the house at all there's a very, very, very. very. very, very, very likely chance that the kid will survive, so why am I not a bad parent for taking the kid outside at all?

Well if habitual criminal activity doesn't make you an unfit parent, how about testing your theory out by providing me with contact information for the authorities.

Typical **** talker.

If I was taking ALL precautions necessary to ensure my child's safety I would have it locked in a concrete bunker 24 hours a day. Since I have decided that risking my child's life is worth it, I have to decide in what activities she is allowed to engage. Riding 5 blocks w/o a car seat is an incredibly safe act (as evidenced by the fact that so few children are injured in this manner despite so many participating) that I allow my child to engage in. Going on a parentally supervised trip to the pool is much, much more dangerous than riding 5 blocks w/o a car seat, but I let my child do that, too, because it's still incredibly safe.

Well I certainly hope I get to meet her as an adult and show her what a careless piece of **** father she has. I'm sure that will explain the disfigurment and multiple scars she'll have to endure as a direct result of your carlessness.

[Sheba]

You have 5 pages of opposition to your stand, and you're not bending. I'm thinking you're enjoying this banter?!? Love that baby & buckle her up!