On this day in April 18, 1775
 

1775 : Revere and Dawes warn of British attack

I see where Tom Hanks and his production company (same company that did "Band Of Brothers" for HBO) has a new show coming out on HBO called "John Adams"

I'm looking forward to it.. this part of our countries history has always held a lot of interest for me. I just don't know if this is going to take place before the revolution, during the revolution, or later on at the time of his Presidency.

I spent some time tracing the family tree, and we've traced back far enough on my father's side, to some Great great great etc... grandfather of mine, who was living in Boston during the middle 1770's

If what I THINK is about to happen, HAPPENS, we'll ALL get the chance to be patriots, and make history. Ready yourselves, my friends, for I fear the time grows near!

A Patriot is one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests.

Not someone who is not only willing to rebel against the laws of our country, but is also attempting to persuade public opinion....trying to recruit other potential anarchists "just in case".

Seems some of you have a nasty habit of butchering the English language on a regular basis, huh? Now why would THAT cause me to question your intelligence?

Doesn't say anything about the "authority".

I would also argue that "enemies or detractors" can easily be enemies or detractors from within or own country or authority.

I will say, I'm not quite as enthusiastic as Al is about the 'upcoming rebellion or revolution'. ;) It's not that I don't agree with WHY he thinks this, 'cause I do. I just like to think there's still a chance to do something WITHIN the system.

Only time will tell however.

Would also add, that our own Patriots, of our own Revolution, were most certainly Bucking the Authority, when they declared their Independence. And if they had been caught, would have most certainly been tried for Treason, and hung.

This country is too rich to have a rebellion.

I do not think there will be a rebellion.
 

I do think the the DNC is trying to cause US as much pain as they can but I would not call that a rebellion. I do think the voters can rebel at election time with their vote. That does not count Anime he can not vote :D

Different dictionary, minor variation in the definition. General meaning still the same.

A patriot is someone who supports their country/government, not someone who prepares to go to war with his/her country over the laws passed by their democratically elected officials.
Interesting that you would use the term rebellion....how can you be a patriot AND rebel against your country?

While I agree with the sentiment, you'll notice that as before, my argument is still with his choice of words, not what he meant to say.

Obviously you misunderstood the meaning of the definition. OUR patriots were indeed fighting "the authority" England exercised over the American Colonies, but OUR patriots were fighting for their own country, America.....not against it, as Al has insinuated.

NO I didn't misunderstand anything. and I think I'll just agree to disagree with you. for I feel that someone can most definitely be a Patriot, he can most definitely love his country, but he doesn't have to believe in the "powers that be"

What does a patriot do if he thinks the leaders of his government are not acting in his country's best interests? Is he loyal to his government or the people that run it?

Joe, not sure I understand this question ?

are you asking "how does one start a rebellion" or are you asking who do you be loyal to "The government" or the "people that run it" and does the "people that run it" mean the people in OFFICE or WE THE PEOPLE ?

:peace:

If the freedom haters ever manage to repeal the Second Amendment, ALL of the other RIGHTS will follow in short order...don't kid yourself about that. At THAT point, it'll be THE END OF AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT. But you're right Brain, as I stated in another thread, anyone who refuses to accept THAT version of America will be "de facto criminals", or anarchists. As for "trying to recruit other potential anarchists", I don't think I'll have to try very hard. I'm convinced that MOST people share my sentiments. As to your statement that "some of you have a nasty habit of butchering the English language", if you mean me, I just try to write the way I speak, and I do this by choice. Now if that causes you to question MY intelligence, then you're a fool, and you're either all alone or you're in the overwhelming minority.

You can believe anything you want, but the fact of the matter is that you cannot rebel against the government AND support it at the same time.

That depends upon the actions he takes.

If you work against the government, you are a rebel regardless of how well you think an elected official is performing in office.

Our founding fathers were English rebels, but they were also American patriots, understand?

Like I said, agree to disagree. I fully believe you can be a patriot and be going against the current powers that be... because you love "your country" "your way of life" but of course once you get down to it, it becomes a propaganda deal.. For me and my cohorts, we would be patriots.. but to the powers that be, we would be REBEL SCUM :yes:

While I'll concede that writing in slang may not be an indication of your "street smarts", it IS a direct indication of your "book smarts". Although I am surprised to see an amazing LACK of punctuation and spelling mistakes this go around.

However, I still contend that you're over reacting. No prominent politician is supporting increased gun control or outright bans, and the end of America as we know it?!?!?!? Dude, you need some Prozac or something....

The government is not the country, you can support one and oppose the other. Patriotism is devotion to ones country, not to one's government. George Bush works for me executing my wishes, not the other way around.

"[It is] the people, to whom all authority belongs."

"Whenever our affairs go obviously wrong, the good sense of the people will interpose and set them to rights."

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them."

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere."

"Most codes extend their definitions of treason to acts not really against one's country. They do not distinguish between acts against the government, and acts against the oppressions of the government. The latter are virtues, yet have furnished more victims to the executioner than the former, because real treasons are rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against tyranny have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all countries."

"The late rebellion in Massachusetts has given more alarm than I think it should have done. Calculate that one rebellion in thirteen states in the course of eleven years, is but one for each state in a century and a half. No country should be so long without one. Nor will any degree of power in the hands of government prevent insurrections."

-A guy named Thomas that knew a bit about how our country is supposed to work.

Oh, I have plenty of "book smarts", and my punctuation, or lack thereof, is no worse than most...did'nt realize I was bein graded. And you'd be wrong about the number of prominent politicians who support draconian gun control, the names are too numerous to go into here. No thanks on the Prozac...I'll settle for a "Crown & 7".

Thanks Joe...and Thomas. Could'nt have said it better myself!

:goodpost2: yup, tell it like it is there Joe. one quote there I've posted on here from time to time I think

Right off the bat, you're wrong. The President is an elected official, not a "servant of the public". His job is to use his best judgment as an elected official of the United States, not "execute your wishes".

BTW, you're obviously still confused about what a patriot is. That guy named Thomas was and American patriot rebelling against the ENGLISH government.

I've decided you like to argue for the sake of argument. but what the hell.. o.k. I'll be a Louisiana patriot fighting against the forces of Washington .. how's that ?? geez louise..

you know what.. screw that, I won't even concede that.. simply speaking our definitions of a patriot differ.

No, YOU are wrong right off the bat. ANYONE who works in government, be they elected or appointed is by definition a public servant. This just demonstrates how brainwashed you really are.

And as a typical christian fool, you rely on belief rather than fact.

So, make the President "serve" you......Let's all get friday off, hotshot.

Dont be stupid, though I know thats askin alot from ya. Look up "public servant" if ya dont believe me. Just admit you're wrong and let it go.

Got to stick my nose in here
 

Rule #1 nobody admits they are wrong
Rule #2 same as rule #1
play ball boys :clap:

Since Louisiana is a member of the United States, you couldn't be loyal to Louisiana and oppose the federal government if we have not seceded from the federal government. If you were to break federal law you would not find save haven in Louisiana regardless of your perceived definition of patriotism as indicated above.

Speaking of states secededing.....This actually happened once upon a time in our nations history. The states that seceded from the Union were known as the confederate states and sometimes referred to as REBEL forces.

I know the definition of public servant,

I'm asking you to make any elected official serve you or admit that we elected officials to use their best judgment when representing us in political affairs.

"Best Judgement" and "Will of The People" should be the same thing.

How many times have you been polled before the President made a decision?
How about the Governor?
How about your mayor?

is the answer very rarely?

O.k. Brain, now will you ADMIT you were wrong ?

pa·tri·ot http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/g...una/thinsp.png/ˈnoun
1.a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.

2.a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.



Go look it up, on dictionary.com if you don't believe me


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That only shows how corrupted the system has become, it does NOT change the fact that they're our servants! Repeat to yourself as necessary.

The government and the country are not synonymous. Patriots are loyal to our country, not to our government. Usually that's the same thing, but when it's not the former prevails.

>That guy named Thomas was and American patriot rebelling against the ENGLISH government.

All of those quotations were from after the American Revolution and were his comments on the United States, not life under George III.

On page 1, I posted a link to Merriam-Webster Online that made no such indication....who's responsible for dictonary.com?

Who cares what any dictionary has to say on the matter?

LAF

Since the "system" has never put every decision to a public vote, are you implying it's been "corrupt" since it's inception or are you rattling off again?!?!?!?

All kids should get an A just for trying, huh?

Presidents, governors, mayors, judges...they're there to do our collective bidding. Call it their "best judgement", but thats whatever the hell we say it is, and when its NOT what we say it is, they're removed from office. Thats how its supposed to work.

ok....remove a public servant from office since you can't make one serve you.

Yes, there IS a process, but you and I, as typical voters, have absolutely no involvement in the impeachment process what so ever.

Didnt I JUST ask you NOT to be stupid? NO, I dont mean EACH and EVERY decision they make. I'm sayin their "best judgement" had damn well better be what the public wants...not that there aint plenty of public servants that do whatever the hell THEY want to do...thats called MALFEASANCE, and it usually costs them their jobs, and sometimes their freedom.