A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.-- Bill Cosby
I do not like your post either PIE ! You are attacking what I believe and being rude as you take a stand for Paganism. What is it you do believe ? Not using capital letters for one. "Christianity" ! The Bible makes is real clear what God thinks about Pagans and many of them were destroyed for their Pagan practices. If I slip up and crack on Pagans in your home get mad get rude what ever but when I crack on them in my home well you already know what will happen :rolleyes: Life is short and eternity is long so we live by our decisions. You might believe you will come back as a monkey :monkey: or some other creature. I plan on being me forever. Yes we all have choice in this life but the next will be very different. Anime I do not dislike you I just do not agree at all with you.

Again Issac no one has said anything bad against Christianity, no one. If they have feel free to point it out. Another thing, I AM NOT A PAGAN, where do You get off accusing me of something you know nothing about. I said if Christianity teaches people to act the way you are acting I want no part of it, but no where did I SAY I was a Pagan. You accuse me of believing in reincarination but no where have I said that, in fact I believe in neither. You accuse me of taking up for Pagans, where have I done that? I jump in when your attitude starting getting threatening, I don't believe no one should be threatened because of their beliefs, has anyone threatened you for your beliefs, NO. I would like to know one thing from you, Who do you consider Christians? Baptist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Mormans, Jehovah's Witnesses, Methodist, I could go on. Are all these considered Christians? You clearly didn't consider people in other countries Christians. By the way my not using caps is just another thing for you to gripe about uh!

I ask you I did not say that you were either !! You are not picking up on the analogy. I did not say I would kick your ass I said I would reserve the right if thing warrant such action. Not likely going to ever happen. Now I said other peoples too and maybe if you spent some time in the history books and read about the migrations you could speak from a point of view that is not a knee jerk reaction. You can believe in bacon that is fine with me. When you practice a religion that believes in destroying mine then shame on you. Islam and communistic peoples are top on the list.

2 Timothy 2:15
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
KJV

< You are attacking what I believe >

Again where have I done that?

< you take a stand for Paganism.>

That's not saying I'm Pagan!

<The Bible makes is real clear what God thinks about Pagans and many of them were destroyed for their Pagan practices>

That's not attacking what Anime believes in?

It's this mentality of "I'm right, you're wrong" and I don't care what YOU say.

There are of course certain absolutes in this world. Then there are things that certain ones of us BELIEVE to be ABSOLUTES, with or without proof. That's where the whole 'faith' comes in..

Personally I can enjoy these types of debates, up to a point. Before they get hateful, before they turn into attacks.

Not everyone is capable of having such debates.

Personally, I believe on the 8th day, God created Rock 'n Roll :laugh:

The weekend is almost over, the weekend is too short.. Saints play.. it's do or die time... New Orleans vs Tampa Bay.. down in the dome. 3:15pm

de·bate (d-bt)
v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates
v.intr.
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument.
4. To fight or quarrel

I'd say there's been a regular occurrence of these here at SB Live!:peace:

Here's that old saying again: If you can't take the heat, don't make controversial posts- this IS a forum. That means there are other opinions here, that may not line up with yours. Why do people get upset over this? Because people don't agree with you? This is a "hot topic"- Deal with it, or dont! You keep calling others "ignorant", but dismissing others opinions is not going to give you credibility. These are peoples beliefs, and I think Paganism is incredibly stupid/wrong. You can call that an attack if you want, You dont have to like it- I have personally read many books on religion, yes that means different religions than mine, so calling me ignorant or uneducated on the subject is simply not correct. Anime, you even admitted that different traditions handle what you come back as differently, which one of you are right? can all of you be right? Do you NOT see how ridiculous that is?

To fight or quarrel !! Yes quite right. We all believe differently no problem. What I believe I am passionate about like Anime. NO problem. I will not back up from what I believe the Living God written Bible and Christ. Sorry Anime but Pagans are looked upon with contempt and many times were destroyed by the Israelites. I have read of your religion and many books on Druids too. No stranger to what IT is I am addressing. IT is Pagan worship not Anime or Pie or any other "person" NO it is the agenda I am writing of. I am sure I was a bit harsh sorry for that. I will say in light of comments I do know how to lay the sword down ;) :peace::peace::peace:

Just one point - a person can be a part of any organized religion = Baptist, Mormon, Catholic, etc. That doesn't automatically make them a Christian. To be a "Christian" you have to live a life like Christ. You have to believe that He laid down his life for you - so you may have ETERNAL life. I know many people who are parts of churches both big and small and are headed strait to Hell. Not trying to be ugly, that is just the black and white of the situation. One has to accecpt the free gift of eternal salvation that God so generously gave to us through His Son - Jesus. So, no, Pie - not all of the above are considered Christian, unless they have asked Christ to come live in their hearts and be the Lord of their whole life. God's gift is open to all who will recieve it. All he wants is for the person to be his child.

>To be a "Christian" you have to live a life like Christ.

No, you don't. You have to simply believe that the Big J was the son of God and came to Earth to be killed for us.

I will say that I do believe in Big J and am not currently attending any church.
I do feel I am a good example of a Christian. I pray and study for myself. I live a clean life, not pure, but I do my best. I think when IS or any of us make points about other religions it is because we truly believe in the Bible and are reaching out to others. You never know when you might touch someone in a positive way. Yes things get heated sometimes but most Christians are passionate about our beliefs.
Some churches can be quite hypocritical and extreme in their off the mark beliefs and traditions, thus fueling the fire for the non believers. The media etc. also seem to lump all Christians together as some type of nutty Holy Rollers which I'm definitely NOT! :)

I fully understand what you are saying. But it guazes the heck out of me when people claim to be a Christian and do the opposite of their teachings or to have a preacher talk about the right and wrong way to live according to the gospel and turn right around the next day to do what they said was wrong to begin with. To me that is two-faced and NO I am NOT referrind to Isaac, this I have witnessed in life. I have seen deacons drink alcohol and go to graet lenghts to hide it. I have seen a preacher with his secretary on his going after it [accidently seen]. Then look at all the child molesters on the news. So I am glad when you said "a person can be a part of any organized religion = Baptist, Mormon, Catholic, etc. That doesn't automatically make them a Christian."
You know I have had Mormans come by my house, I listen to what they say even if I don't agree but I am not rude to them, and I thank them for coming. I don't want for my house to be known as where the *******s live. I have even taken some of the Mormans crayfishing, these people were from Utah and wanted the experience. Each person has their own beliefs and that is fine. But just because Anime is Pagan doesn't make him a bad person and I respect that.
I have read in the bible that Christians were stoned, whipped, and hung on crosses but then all people can say is how pagans were treated. Who was it that was treating Pagans that way?

Do not judge God by the way people act Pie. The Bible is written to the individual soul not to the so called preacher or priest. Good to see you can still crawfish :D

I don't judge God by the way people act, I judge people by the way people act. People who read the bible and don't pratice what they read can not be good Christians.

Always cover your tail :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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There are such things as Christian Wiccans.

[QUOTE-Isaac-Saxxon]Sorry Anime but Pagans are looked upon with contempt and many times were destroyed by the Israelites.[/quote]

Yup, the Israelites tried and so did the Roman Catholic Church. The Inquisition even published the Malleus Maleficarum (The Witches Hammer) in an attempt to exterminate Pagans in the 1400s. Fortunately, I'm happy to say, they all failed. We are still here by tens of thousands.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't their numerous versions of the Bible, some mentioning Pagans and some do not?

It's NOT ridiculous to wonder. It's NOT ridiculous to guess. It's NOT ridiculous to believe.

It IS ridiculous to force your beliefs on others as absolute truth. It IS ridiculous to deny others the right to believe for themselves.

If not for any other reason, the Bill of Rights states that we can believe what we want as far as religion and no one has the right to tell us we are wrong.

I have heard this term before. I have never met someone who applies this label to themselves and I, for one, can't imagine how that would work. It's a novel idea, though.

Well, a Christian Wiccan is simply someone who believes that Jesus is the Son O' God, etc etc, but also incorporates some of the tenets of Wicca into their belief system. Most Wiccans also believe in the Christian God, known in Wicca as the "Prime Mover"

Yup, the Israelites tried and so did the Roman Catholic Church. The Inquisition even published the Malleus Maleficarum (The Witches Hammer) in an attempt to exterminate Pagans in the 1400s. Fortunately, I'm happy to say, they all failed. We are still here by tens of thousands.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't their numerous versions of the Bible, some mentioning Pagans and some do not?



It's NOT ridiculous to wonder. It's NOT ridiculous to guess. It's NOT ridiculous to believe.

It IS ridiculous to force your beliefs on others as absolute truth. It IS ridiculous to deny others the right to believe for themselves.

If not for any other reason, the Bill of Rights states that we can believe what we want as far as religion and no one has the right to tell us we are wrong.



I have heard this term before. I have never met someone who applies this label to themselves and I, for one, can't imagine how that would work. It's a novel idea, though.[/quote]



There are numerous versions of the Bible and some do not address Pagans those would be translations ;) The Ancient Hebrew addresses them in a big way. You want to be a witch then have a good ride. I choose a different path and it is Christianity and we are all adults and can make our own choices. That is what this life is all about choices. I hope you make goods ones as I hope I make good ones. The facts speak for themselves and no one ever changed their mind because of this board or a post or two. :D

I'm gonna have something for this thread later, I have to go work. But, who here is trying to force thier beliefs on you?:rolleyes: