Foundation of the earth

[Isaac-Saxxon]

I know the planet is older than 6000 years. I am a Christian and I love to
dig into history of man and the history of our planet. The dinosaur bones and artifacts
along with the oil we use had to come from a age a lot older than 6000 years
old. This does not discount the Bible but will make it a lot clearer. I found out
the hard way that carbon dating has its problems but so does the idea that
eveything that has happened has happened in 6000 years.

Quote:
To arrive at the true meaning of this expression, we must note that there are two words translated "foundation" in the New Testament : (1) themelios, and (2) katobole.
The noun, themelios, occurs in Luke 6:48, 49; 14:29; Acts 16:26 Rom. 15:20
1 Cor. 3:10 , 11, 12. Eph. 2:20; 1Tim. 6:19 Heb. 6:1; 11:10 . Rev. 21:14, 19.
It is nver used of the world (kosmos) or the earth (ge). Heb. 1:10.
A comparison of all these passages will show that these are proper and regular terms for the English words " to found ", and "foundation".
The noun katabole, occurs in Matt. 13:35; 25:34. Luke 11:50 John 17:24 Eph. 1:4 Heb 4:3;
9:26; 11:11. 1 Peter 1:20 Rev. 13:8; 17:8; and the corresponding Verb (kataballo and katabole are not the proper terms for founding and foundation, but the correct meaning is casting down, or overthrow.
Consistency, therefore, calls for the same translation in Heb. 6:1, where, instead of
"not laying again", the rendering should be "not casting down". That is to say, the foundation
already laid, of repentance, & e., was not to be cast down or overthrown, but was to be left
and progress made unto the perfection.
Accordingly, the Noun katabole, derived from and cognate with the Verb, ought to be translated
"disruption", or "ruin".
The remarkable thing that in all occurrences (except Heb. 11:11) the word is connected with "the world" (Gr. kosmos. Ap. 129.1), and therefore the expression should be rendered
"the disruption (or ruin) of the world". clearly referring to the condition indicated in Gen 1:2,
and described in 2 Peter3:5, 6. For the earth was not created tohu (Isa. 45:18), but became so,
as stated the Hebrew of Gen. 1:2 and confirmed by 2 Peter 3:6, where "the world that then was by the word of God" (Gen 1:1), perished, and "the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word" were created (Gen. 2:4), and are "kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment" (2 Peter 3:7) which shall usher in the "new heavens and the new earth"
of 2 Peter 3:13.
"The disruption of the world" is an event forming a great dividing line in the dispensation
of the ages. In Gen. 1:1 we have the founding of the world (Heb 1:10 = themelioo), but in Gen 1:2 we have its overthrow.
This is confirmed by a further remarkable fact, that the phrase, which occurs ten times,
is associated with the Preposition apo = from (Ap. 104. iv) seven times, and with pro = before
(Ap. 104 xiv) three times. The former refers to the kingdom, and is connected with the
"counsels" of God; the latter refers to the Mystery (of secret. See Ap 192 ) and is connected with the "purpose" of God (see John 17:24. Eph 1:4. 1 Peter 1:20).
Ample New Testament testimony is thus given to the profoundly significant fact recorded
in Gen. 1:2, that "the earth became tohu and bohu (i.e. waste and desolate); and darkness was on the face of the deep", before the creation of "the heavens and earth which are now"
(2 Peter 3:7).

(Appendix 146 The Companion Bible, Kregel )

My hope is to get people to read for themselves and know that Christianity
is a reality not a religion !
God Bless
Isaac-Saxxon

[windshop]

I read your comments and am curious. Using Earths measure of time, how old do you think the universe is? A simple answer, please, in round numbers.

[Isaac-Saxxon]

In short from what I have studied in the history books for the last 22 years
I think flesh man has been here 10-14000 years and as far as the universe
goes I dont know ? I was mistaken about how far carbon dating goes back
and there is a geoloical boundry its called uridium boundry. Spelling ? but thats
close, there is a line where nothing was living then the spawn of man.
That still does not tell me how old the planet and or universe is. Any ideas
I would love to hear ! I still dont think 6000 years for the whole universe is
in order at all. Thanks. Isaac-Saxxon

[geodood]

"Until recently, astronomers estimated that the Big Bang occurred between 12 and 14 billion years ago. To put this in perspective, the Solar System is thought to be 4.5 billion years old and humans have existed as a species for a few million years. Astronomers estimate the age of the universe in two ways: 1) by looking for the oldest stars; and 2) by measuring the rate of expansion of the universe and extrapolating back to the Big Bang; just as crime detectives can trace the origin of a bullet from the holes in a wall."

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101age.html

I understand their Big Bang statements, however I wonder what they base their statement "humans have existed as a species for a few million years". I guess that they are including "Lucy" type beings. (all hominids that is)

http://www.asu.edu/clas/iho/lucy.html#age

So when did Homo Sapien enter the picture? (from both a fossile and historic record?) Not our "ancestors" but "us"?

[Rough Rider]

Originally Posted by geodood

I understand their Big Bang statements, however I wonder what they base their statement "humans have existed as a species for a few million years". I guess that they are including "Lucy" type beings. (all hominids that is)

http://www.asu.edu/clas/iho/lucy.html#age

So when did Homo Sapien enter the picture? (from both a fossile and historic record?) Not our "ancestors" but "us"?

Homo Erectus some 1.5 - 1 million years ago, Homo Sapiens some 1/2 a million years ago.

"Lucy" is an Australopithecus Ramidus .. some 3.2 million years ago. they found something that dates back a bit farther than lucy. and judging by the bone structure was a bi-ped. which dates back to almost 4 million years ago.

[geodood]

Originally Posted by Rough Rider

Homo Erectus some 1.5 - 1 million years ago, Homo Sapiens some 1/2 a million years ago.

"Lucy" is an Australopithecus Ramidus .. some 3.2 million years ago. they found something that dates back a bit farther than lucy. and judging by the bone structure was a bi-ped. which dates back to almost 4 million years ago.

I wonder how the 500,000 year mark for Homo Spiens is arrived at? Documented history goes back, what about 3000 years? Even if the figure is 5000 years, that leaves 495,000 years of undocumented (pre-historic) history? Wow, so much that we don't know.