Minimum Wages Goes Up Today

piemaker720 · 07-24-2007, 10:00 AM

http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/23/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes

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Minimum wage boost first in 10 years
Wage will rise in three steps, from $5.15 to $7.25 an hour, but advocates and critics still disagree on the benefits to low-wage workers
The first minimum wage increase in 10 years takes effect Tuesday, to $5.85 from $5.15 an hour, with two more steps over the next two years taking base pay for millions of workers to $7.25.

You know this is good, but I wonder how this helps your restaurant workers that don't even make minimum wage to start with. Your basic restaurant worker only makes $2.13 an hour because they recieve tips. Just think at that rate of pay your check would be what $80 before taxes. I don't think they should count tips because a tip is like a reward for good service from a worker.How many people get a bad waiter or waitress and decide they don't deserve a good tip or they leave them nothing. So does this mean these workers are still going to be below poverty level.

joepole · 07-24-2007, 12:20 PM

>You know this is good,

No, this is bad. Everybody else's wages just went down.

rhertz · 07-24-2007, 12:34 PM

It is always bad when government interferes with market forces. Anytime the government manipulates market forces, it is a slap in the face of capitalism and a vote for, well, something else.

In case nobody noticed, the Al-Qaeda attacks were attacks on Western capitalism. They bombed the world TRADE center, the center of capitalism in the western world. I'm sick and tired of two faced politicians comforting the enemy, and/or opposing capitalism and free enterprise which is what made this country great to begin with. Many Americans died so that I would not have a socialistic governments telling me what I must pay people or else go to jail, (if I am allowed to be in business to begin with)

joepole · 07-24-2007, 12:39 PM

The WTC was not the center of capitalism in the western world. The NY and London Stock Exchanges (and, to a lesser extent the US Federal Reserve Bank) were/are.

rhertz · 07-24-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole

The WTC was not the center of capitalism in the western world. The NY and London Stock Exchanges (and, to a lesser extent the US Federal Reserve Bank) were/are.

OK, that is probably true, but you get my point. It was not the WSC (World Socialism Center) or the WRC (World Religion Center) that they attacked.

Isaac-Saxxon · 07-24-2007, 12:51 PM

I am against this minimum wage increase. With that said I guess all the people that work at SBLive will be getting a raise

Hey rherz I am so glad to see you put your foot down so hard on something so political

piemaker720 · 07-24-2007, 05:10 PM

Okay, now the truth comes out. The little people don't count and should not be allowed a raise of any sort. Even the people in fast foods that wait on your sorry butts. If a company owner would give raises without the government making them, then the government would not intervene. It was already said that this was the first raise in 10 YEARS. You can say a company would pay more if the workers worked harder, but you can also say a worker would work harder if the company paid more. Business owners have had 10 years of financial peace without the governments intervention, now it is the workers turn. You know I use to work at a restaurant in Jonesboro, when I started I made 90 cents a hour, when I quit and moved here I was making $3.00 a hour, it took 30 years to get a $2.10 raise. The customers use to tell us we were worth an egg a hour because that is what 1 egg and a piece of toast cost on the menu. So excuse me if I don't have pity for ya.

joepole · 07-24-2007, 05:15 PM

Employers (by definition) pay employees what they're worth. Nobody deserves to have their salary artificially inflated by the government, that does nothing but hurt the rest of the country.

If you worked at a minimum wage job for thirty years then there is something wrong with you. At no point in those three decades did you develop a skill that someone in the universe felt was worth more than what the government mandated was the bare minimum allowable by law? How are you able to operate a computer?

joepole · 07-24-2007, 05:22 PM

>should not be allowed a raise of any sort.

Who said anything about allowed? We're talking about mandated. The minimum wage is nothing more than welfare that paid directly by the employer instead of filtering through the treasury.

"Your skills are actually worth $3/hour, but we're demanding you get paid twice that because...well...because there are a lot of stupid people in this country and they voted themselves money because they don't know anything about economics."

piemaker720 · 07-24-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole

Employers (by definition) pay employees what they're worth. Nobody deserves to have their salary artificially inflated by the government, that does nothing but hurt the rest of the country.

If you worked at a minimum wage job for thirty years then there is something wrong with you. At no point in those three decades did you develop a skill that someone in the universe felt was worth more than what the government mandated was the bare minimum allowable by law? How are you able to operate a computer?

I did not work for a straight 30 years for this company, I worked on and off for this company. It was just a tight waded employer that couldn't let go of a nickel, that is the reason the man always needs help, he can't keep help because of low pay. As far as my skill, I can work a computer, I am also a CNA, Emt, a first responder, I also worked in a paper mill, so I have plenty of skills, though it's none of your business what skills I have. I on the other hand wonder about your skills.

joepole · 07-24-2007, 05:59 PM

If you weren't being paid what you were worth, why did you work there? Since you agreed to work for that money, you obviously felt you were being compensated appropriately and since the guy is still in business after thirty years he apparently pays his employees an acceptable amount.

piemaker720 · 07-24-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by joepole

If you weren't being paid what you were worth, why did you work there? Since you agreed to work for that money, you obviously felt you were being compensated appropriately and since the guy is still in business after thirty years he apparently pays his employees an acceptable amount.

You know no one can talk to you. You are rude, sarcastic and annoying to all of us. So blow it out your BUTT.

Isabella · 07-24-2007, 06:30 PM

I am not for the increase either. If an employee is good then they will be paid accordingly. Best example, I have two employees, one works for minimum wage and the other I pay $8 per hour. The minimum wage employee sits around watching TV and works very slow while the other does not watch TV and works fast and does a much better job. Neither are well educated. I am not going to pay someone more than they are worth. When the pay goes over $6 per hour I will no longer employ the minimum wage employee, because I am not going to waste my money. Raising the mininum wage may put many people out of work. There are people who have no education, not very bright and efficient, but you hire them since you don't have to pay them much.

howela · 07-24-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rhertz

It is always bad when government interferes with market forces. Anytime the government manipulates market forces, it is a slap in the face of capitalism and a vote for, well, something else.

Socialism

piemaker720 · 07-24-2007, 07:11 PM

I would like to know if there is anyone out there that is not an employer that is against the minimum wage raise.

07-24-2007, 12:51 PM	#6
Isaac-Saxxon SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,421 Rep Power: 324	I am against this minimum wage increase. With that said I guess all the people that work at SBLive will be getting a raise Hey rherz I am so glad to see you put your foot down so hard on something so political __________________ Maranatha Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

07-24-2007, 05:10 PM	#7
piemaker720 SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,584 Rep Power: 256	Okay, now the truth comes out. The little people don't count and should not be allowed a raise of any sort. Even the people in fast foods that wait on your sorry butts. If a company owner would give raises without the government making them, then the government would not intervene. It was already said that this was the first raise in 10 YEARS. You can say a company would pay more if the workers worked harder, but you can also say a worker would work harder if the company paid more. Business owners have had 10 years of financial peace without the governments intervention, now it is the workers turn. You know I use to work at a restaurant in Jonesboro, when I started I made 90 cents a hour, when I quit and moved here I was making $3.00 a hour, it took 30 years to get a $2.10 raise. The customers use to tell us we were worth an egg a hour because that is what 1 egg and a piece of toast cost on the menu. So excuse me if I don't have pity for ya. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.-- Bill Cosby

07-24-2007, 06:30 PM	#13
Isabella Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 487 Rep Power: 243	I am not for the increase either. If an employee is good then they will be paid accordingly. Best example, I have two employees, one works for minimum wage and the other I pay $8 per hour. The minimum wage employee sits around watching TV and works very slow while the other does not watch TV and works fast and does a much better job. Neither are well educated. I am not going to pay someone more than they are worth. When the pay goes over $6 per hour I will no longer employ the minimum wage employee, because I am not going to waste my money. Raising the mininum wage may put many people out of work. There are people who have no education, not very bright and efficient, but you hire them since you don't have to pay them much. __________________ Where there is a will there is a way!

07-24-2007, 07:11 PM	#15
piemaker720 SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,584 Rep Power: 256	I would like to know if there is anyone out there that is not an employer that is against the minimum wage raise. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.-- Bill Cosby

07-24-2007, 12:20 PM	#2
joepole SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,606 Rep Power: 265	>You know this is good, No, this is bad. Everybody else's wages just went down.

07-24-2007, 12:34 PM	#3
rhertz SBLive! Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,834 Rep Power: 301	It is always bad when government interferes with market forces. Anytime the government manipulates market forces, it is a slap in the face of capitalism and a vote for, well, something else. In case nobody noticed, the Al-Qaeda attacks were attacks on Western capitalism. They bombed the world TRADE center, the center of capitalism in the western world. I'm sick and tired of two faced politicians comforting the enemy, and/or opposing capitalism and free enterprise which is what made this country great to begin with. Many Americans died so that I would not have a socialistic governments telling me what I must pay people or else go to jail, (if I am allowed to be in business to begin with)

07-24-2007, 12:39 PM	#4
joepole SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,606 Rep Power: 265	The WTC was not the center of capitalism in the western world. The NY and London Stock Exchanges (and, to a lesser extent the US Federal Reserve Bank) were/are.

07-24-2007, 05:15 PM	#8
joepole SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,606 Rep Power: 265	Employers (by definition) pay employees what they're worth. Nobody deserves to have their salary artificially inflated by the government, that does nothing but hurt the rest of the country. If you worked at a minimum wage job for thirty years then there is something wrong with you. At no point in those three decades did you develop a skill that someone in the universe felt was worth more than what the government mandated was the bare minimum allowable by law? How are you able to operate a computer?

07-24-2007, 05:22 PM	#9
joepole SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,606 Rep Power: 265	>should not be allowed a raise of any sort. Who said anything about allowed? We're talking about mandated. The minimum wage is nothing more than welfare that paid directly by the employer instead of filtering through the treasury. "Your skills are actually worth $3/hour, but we're demanding you get paid twice that because...well...because there are a lot of stupid people in this country and they voted themselves money because they don't know anything about economics."

07-24-2007, 05:59 PM	#11
joepole SBLive! Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,606 Rep Power: 265	If you weren't being paid what you were worth, why did you work there? Since you agreed to work for that money, you obviously felt you were being compensated appropriately and since the guy is still in business after thirty years he apparently pays his employees an acceptable amount.

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