Did we land on the moon or not

[Al Swearengen]

[SBL Administrators have moved this thread from the MLK thread to be more on topic.]

The tapes are locked away in the FBI vault right next to the proof of the faked moon landing and the secret whereabouts of the living Elvis Presley

I think its a safe bet that Elvis has indeed gone the way of all flesh, but what makes you so certain, Matt, that the moon landings were not faked? See folks, this tactic is typical of debunkers...just throw one preposterous myth in with the feasible questions and presto...you've now successfully wielded the so-called "giggle factor". Its used with great regularity in regards to the UFO/ET question...for example, lets say we have a credible witness, perhaps a veteran Air Force pilot, who reports a UFO...well, he MUST be discredited, so why not mention Elvis sightings, or perhaps the 'Bat Boy" of National Enquirer fame, in the same article? The tactic is highly effective on the weak-minded sheople.

Ya know Matt, when I was a kid, late 60s/early 70s, my parents bought us a set of Realistic (Radio Shack) brand walkie-talkies. Brand new in the box, and they never worked worth a damn. Took em back and swapped em for a new pair several times...they never did work, but hey, we managed to travel 250,000 miles and land on the moon? I have my doubts.

[geodood]

Originally Posted by Al Swearengen

but what makes you so certain, Matt, that the moon landings were not faked? ...(snip)..they never did work, but hey, we managed to travel 250,000 miles and land on the moon? I have my doubts.

I normally like your "down to earth" style Al. But in this case, it's a little too "down to earth" if you know what I mean.

How would you explain to the 100,000+ individuals gathered down at Cape Canaveral who personally witnessed the launch of each of the Apollo Saturn space missions? How about all those amateur astronomers and amateur radio operators who saw and listened and tracked the astronauts along with the government? And how did we fool all those Aboriginies down in Australia? hehehe Not to mention fooling those three scientists down at Parks who where fooling us when they lost power and lost track of Apollo 11? How'd they do that? OK, how did they fool Tom Hanks? Answer that! Or is he one of "them"!

[Al Swearengen]

[quote]How would you explain the 100,000+ individuals gathered down at Cape Canaveral who personally witnessed the launch of each of the Apollo Saturn space missions?[quote]

To this I would simply say that a rocket launch does not a lunar landing make! That would be like saying "I saw you start up your car and drive off, so I KNOW you made it Disney Land!" Amateur astronomers and radio operators? Aboriginies? Tom Hanks? Surely you jest? Im reasonably certain I could get Mr. Hanks to check and see if his shoe laces were tied or that his fly was zipped. The fact of the matter is that it wouldve been far easier to convincibly fake the moon landing than to actually accomplish such a feat, especially given the era's level of technology. Besides, if we really did land on the moon, why have we not colonized it by now...almost half a century later? And where are those missing tapes NeverAStraightAnswer conveniently lost? But why not ask "them"? Im sure "they" would gladly answer these questions to your satisfaction.

Fake a moon landing? The good people who brought us such gems as "MKUltra", the "Bay-O-Pigs" fiasco, and "Operation Northwoods"? Why, the United States government would NEVER do THAT! Absurd! Out of the question! Perish the thought!

By the way...that last little beauty I mentioned..."Operation Northwoods"...thats for all you trusting souls that dont believe 911 couldve been an inside job!

[LateNight]

Hey all, I wouldn't bother to jump into the middle of this one.. Although Al likes to throw this stuff out there.. at the same time, he'll tell you how the moon is of an alien creation, and he knows this because of "eye witness" accounts from some of the astronauts who "landed" on the moon.

just depends on the conversation at hand

[geodood]

To this I would simply say that a rocket launch does not a lunar landing make! That would be like saying "I saw you start up your car and drive off, so I KNOW you made it Disney Land!"

But the hard part is the rocket launch! Not like starting up your car. So you believe in rocket launches and the existence of technology needed to perform that little trick. OK, that’s a start. Now if we could place tons of gear in earth orbit, then why not go to the moon? This isn’t easy, but not any harder than launching skyscraper sized rockets into orbit. But lets focus now on faking the other half of the mission.

Amateur astronomers and radio operators? Aboriginies? Tom Hanks? Surely you jest?

Yes and no. I was merely describing the overwhelming range of those who are documented in their belief that we went to the moon. Aboriginies/Tom Hanks was a indeed a jest based on popular movies. However there were many who witnessed these events through various instruments, including their own eyes through high powered telescopes. Today even amateur astronomers photograph the shuttle, space station, etc. in space with surprising clarity using low cost equipment.

The fact of the matter is that it wouldve been far easier to convincibly fake the moon landing than to actually accomplish such a feat, especially given the era's level of technology.

Convincing the public or Tom Hanks is one thing. Convincing the Russians would be another. If we had of faked it, they would have used that in their propaganda big time. Heh, even if we didn’t fake it, they would dispute our claim if there was event a remote possibility to dispute it. But I bet we documented the crap out of that mission, knowing that the Russians might dispute our claim.

One thing is for sure, the undisputable evidence is right above our heads. All those footprints and rover tracks are sitting there just as the day they were made. A good enough telescope should be able to pick up some debris or tracks, but I doubt NASA will use the Hubble to verify what they already know as fact.

Besides, if we really did land on the moon, why have we not colonized it by now...almost half a century later?

Economics and Politics would be a good answer. However I think it is because “need is the mother of invention” and we don’t need to go there anymore. Back then we had to in a cold war race with the Soviets. Once we won, that battle of the war was over.

And where are those missing tapes NeverAStraightAnswer conveniently lost? But why not ask "them"? Im sure "they" would gladly answer these questions to your satisfaction.

Who?

Fake a moon landing? The good people who brought us such gems as "MKUltra", the "Bay-O-Pigs" fiasco, and "Operation Northwoods"? Why, the United States government would NEVER do THAT! Absurd! Out of the question! Perish the thought! By the way...that last little beauty I mentioned..."Operation Northwoods"...thats for all you trusting souls that dont believe 911 couldve been an inside job!

Oh I love a good conspiracy theory too, for entertainment purposes…

[Isaac-Saxxon]

The moon is made of cheese and there is no man in the moon

[Al Swearengen]

Sorry about jackin your thread there, Isaac...I just couldnt let this go unchallenged! Cheese eh? Ya might be on to somethin there!

"NeverAStraightAnswer"...thats what NASA stands for these days. Nasa has this annoying habit of airbrushing inconvenient things out of the photos that they release for public consumption. Supposedly, Nasa's charter states that they will firmly adhere to the truth and resist attempts by the U.S. govt to influence, bias, or subvert it's findings. In reality, the agency operates contrary to their own mission statement. Biting the hand that feeds you is never a good idea, is it?