I also want to point out that that joepole believes that when someone can't win a debate then they often resort to personal attacks to avoid the point. Therefore it is important to stay on topic and not engage in personal attacks (if you really want to win against joepole) Otherwise waste your time and attack him and ignore the point and loose the debate every time. (at least in his mind)
Also joepole may think I am FOS which is fine as long as he proves me wrong.