Dumbing-Down of America
We are paying more money to the school system and the kids are doing worse on their scores in school. It was just after 1962 that the ACLU and many others decided to take God out of our schools and every thing else we do including a new one dollar coin that was minted. Well if you will read this column you will see that after 1964 things went down hill. I have read other studies on this and the SAT and ACT scores have both gone in the tank
and there is a direct connection between the two ! :nono: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19684 Isaac |
I agree entirely that students are just not as smart as they use to be coming out of high school. Basic reading, math, and science are dwindling to nothing in many graduates. However, there are more factors to consider that this article doesn't seem to address.
For one, there are far more students in school than there was back in 1962. The more burden you put on a simple system, the more shaky and less efficient that system becomes. Secondly, the curriculums are somewhat different and often more complex in today's schools. Math and science aren't what they were back in 1962. New discoveries are being made all the time and new methods are being learned that make the simple lessons from 1962 into entire chapters here in 2007. Did you learn about variables in your Algebra class back in high school? Did you discuss the human genome in your biology classes? Did you ever learn what a quark was in your physics classes or what the center of an atom is called? I wouldn't know for sure because I graduated in 2000, but if you went to school before 1970, I'd imagine you didn't discuss these things. It's hard to know where the improvements must be made in today's schools though. I think that student behavior is a problem because too many students care more about disrupting class, playing hooky, or dropping out entirely than actually doing their assignments. This was an observation I made in school. If teachers and high faculty put more effort into enforcing student behavior and parents made more effort in ensuring their children study and complete their assignments, I'd imagine some bright students would start emerging from the woodworks. |
All good comments there Anime, and all so true.
what I find most disturbing, from the schools my children have been in, is the complete lack of homework. It seems in the public shools, they are all about "Teaching the Test" so as to improve on those national test scores. As opposed to letting a qualified teacher "TEACH" real lessons. And also as you have said, a lot of this has to do with parent participation, be it in the actual school activities or being more involved in raising their children, so as not to be so disruptive in class. Back in the early 80's when I was in high school, we had those types of kids in class, but the rest of us knew them to be idiots and they were looked down upon. Nowadays I think these trouble makers are starting to outnumber the kids who are actually paying attention. Personally I'm all for trying to improve out public schools.. but I just don't know what the answers are.. My kids have spent time in public and private catholic schools.. They always do MUCH better in the private schools. |
I agree that private schools are better
My kids have been in public schools the entire time. One left to go and she is 16 almost and thanks to my wife they had help with home work and she would always keep up with them while I am the bad cop and work long hours but it has turned out great. Not because of public schools or the teachers but because of good parenting and Christian values that we keep at the front of our family. I shall look up the study done on the effect of laws made in 1962 and there after. Sad but oh so true that the moral decline in public schools both in students and teachers has reached a point that the scores are in decline.
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>take God out of our schools and every thing else we do including a new one dollar coin that was minted.
The new dollar coins have the (admittedly lame) "In God we Trust" motto on them. |
What's wrong with teaching to the test if you assume the test is a good measure of subject mastery?
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Joe you have very young children
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Drilling students is not teaching, anyway. If students are having a difficult time grasping a math skill the teacher can't keep working on it until they get it, because the teacher has to stop and start teaching another subject. Everything has to be taught at a certain time. Good teachers hate this. |
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Hello, hello !! Thank your local ACLU for the moral decline
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>Teaching for the test is not developing analytical thinking skills
It does if the test adequately tests analytical thinking skills. Also, analytical thinking skills are a small part of what children should be taught in school. There's a whole slew of stuff that need to just know. |
>I see by your (admittedly lame) comment about "In God we Trust" you must be of the anti Christian group that would like to see America striped of God.
I am not, I just think that's not a very good motto for our country. Our country isn't unique for its trust of God, it's unique for many other things. We fought a war to get out from under the thumb of England, a country with a state religion. England created that religion to get away from the influence of Rome. Trusting God is something all of these governments have claimed to do. Our motto should mention freedom or equality of opportunity. We don't have a state religion so our motto should be secular. |
Our country was founded with this motto
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Anno Domini (Latin : "In the year of (Our) Lord"[1]), abbreviated as AD, defines an epoch based on the traditionally reckoned year of the conception or birth of Jesus of Nazareth. AD is also an abbreviation for Christian Era.[2] Similarly, Before Christ (from the Ancient Greek "Christos" or "Anointed One", referring to Jesus), abbreviated as BC, is used in the English language to denote years before the start of this epoch. :clap: :clap: :clap: Isaac |
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I disagree Anime
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>"In God We Trust" is the very foundation of this country. The Ten Commandments and the Bible are not state sponsored religion but the very truth of how this great nation became the super power it is.
Even if that were true it's true for scores of countries, which still makes it a crappy motto for ours. That's like having your baseball team's motto be "We all have gloves!" >There is a note on most calendars called B.C. and A.D. that make a very strong statement ! Actually, most people who deal with dates on a professional level use "CE" and "BCE" (common era and before common era). >This country was founded on Christian principals and by Christians. Both of these statements are flat-out incorrect. None of the principles on which our country was founded were based on Christianity (that's not to say they aren't also beliefs held by Christians and/or the Christian churches) and hardly any of our founding fathers were Christians. This nation is the one in which Christianity has intersected most successfully with capitalism, but we are in no sense of the expression "a Christian nation." This is a good thing. |
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Your BCE and CE have been added on
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Could you pass the test to become a American citizen ?
Try to pass the test if you can !
http://games.toast.net/independence/ Isaac Dare to post your score ??? :clap: |
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Some trick questions in there
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Isaac Love to hear the scores of Matty and Joe ?? |
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Al you help with good ideas about mortal man
The Greek phrase Molōn labe! (Μολὼν λαβέ; pronunciation in Modern Greek [molon lave]), meaning "Come and take [them]!", is a classical (reported by Plutarch) expression of daring and bravery, roughly corresponding to the modern "over my dead body" or "from my cold dead hands", or more literally to the "Come and take it" slogan from the Texas Revolution Battle of Gonzales. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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The feature film "300", now showing at theaters, is a dramatization of the battle at Thermopylae. |
Al you are up to 566 points
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Check the test scores of your own public schools before and after the influx of Katrina refugees. You'll notice the exact same "phenomenon"... ...and don't even get me started on the 44% black drop-out rate in this state alone. |
Hey buddy good to see you back
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To be more specific, it's a combination of the above AND the removal of corporal punishment from the school system. Simply put, spanking works better than prayer. |
I don't know about corporal punishment being the cause. We lost corporal punishment while I was in junior high. If grades have been falling since the 1960s and corporal punishment was removed in the 1990s, then it can't be a lack of corporal punishment causing the lack of intelligence in the school system.
Reversely, I don't think it's the lack of prayer in school either. I've never been a devout Christian, but I'd consider myself a bright and intelligent person. I was a B+ average in high school and we never had prayer in school. I still think parents need to take a more active role in their childrens' behavior and education. |
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Hey brain did you ever get the "Board of Education" ?
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Have you ever looked around Natchitoches ?
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I haven't check it out personally, but my sister has seen many of the schools around Bossier City. Some aren't so bad and others, we'd rather avoid moving too close to. In all though, Bossier is in decent shape. I don't have any regrets in living here.
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Grew up in South Bossier, thinking and feeling like we OWNED the place :) Currently living outside the shreveport city limits. And just loving it. Whether you are in shreveport or bossier, they both have some lovely spots.. and both have places I wouldn't want to be caught dead in. |
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