[SBL Administrators have moved this thread from the MLK thread to be more on topic.]
I think its a safe bet that Elvis has indeed gone the way of all flesh, but what makes you so certain, Matt, that the moon landings were not faked? See folks, this tactic is typical of debunkers...just throw one preposterous myth in with the feasible questions and presto...you've now successfully wielded the so-called "giggle factor". Its used with great regularity in regards to the UFO/ET question...for example, lets say we have a credible witness, perhaps a veteran Air Force pilot, who reports a UFO...well, he MUST be discredited, so why not mention Elvis sightings, or perhaps the 'Bat Boy" of National Enquirer fame, in the same article? The tactic is highly effective on the weak-minded sheople.

Ya know Matt, when I was a kid, late 60s/early 70s, my parents bought us a set of Realistic (Radio Shack) brand walkie-talkies. Brand new in the box, and they never worked worth a damn. Took em back and swapped em for a new pair several times...they never did work, but hey, we managed to travel 250,000 miles and land on the moon? I have my doubts.

I normally like your "down to earth" style Al. But in this case, it's a little too "down to earth" if you know what I mean.

How would you explain to the 100,000+ individuals gathered down at Cape Canaveral who personally witnessed the launch of each of the Apollo Saturn space missions? How about all those amateur astronomers and amateur radio operators who saw and listened and tracked the astronauts along with the government? And how did we fool all those Aboriginies down in Australia? hehehe Not to mention fooling those three scientists down at Parks who where fooling us when they lost power and lost track of Apollo 11? How'd they do that? OK, how did they fool Tom Hanks? Answer that! Or is he one of "them"!

[quote]How would you explain the 100,000+ individuals gathered down at Cape Canaveral who personally witnessed the launch of each of the Apollo Saturn space missions?[quote]

To this I would simply say that a rocket launch does not a lunar landing make! That would be like saying "I saw you start up your car and drive off, so I KNOW you made it Disney Land!" Amateur astronomers and radio operators? Aboriginies? Tom Hanks? Surely you jest? Im reasonably certain I could get Mr. Hanks to check and see if his shoe laces were tied or that his fly was zipped. The fact of the matter is that it wouldve been far easier to convincibly fake the moon landing than to actually accomplish such a feat, especially given the era's level of technology. Besides, if we really did land on the moon, why have we not colonized it by now...almost half a century later? And where are those missing tapes NeverAStraightAnswer conveniently lost? But why not ask "them"? Im sure "they" would gladly answer these questions to your satisfaction.

Fake a moon landing? The good people who brought us such gems as "MKUltra", the "Bay-O-Pigs" fiasco, and "Operation Northwoods"? Why, the United States government would NEVER do THAT! Absurd! Out of the question! Perish the thought!

By the way...that last little beauty I mentioned..."Operation Northwoods"...thats for all you trusting souls that dont believe 911 couldve been an inside job!

Hey all, I wouldn't bother to jump into the middle of this one.. Although Al likes to throw this stuff out there.. at the same time, he'll tell you how the moon is of an alien creation, and he knows this because of "eye witness" accounts from some of the astronauts who "landed" on the moon.

just depends on the conversation at hand :)

I dont blame Late Night for not wanting to "jump in" on this...defending the actions and statements of the government and it's assorted appendages can be an awfully tricky, sticky wicket even under the best of circumstances...very treacherous ground...which is exactly where Geo and Matt unenviably now find themselves.

All "facts" are subject to intense scrutiny and skillfully spinned interpretation! Question everything...especially what your government tells you! Trust no one...especially the government! The truth is out there...and you can be certain that the government is sitting on it!;)

just throw one preposterous myth in with the feasible questions
 

Truth is a hard thing to find these days and in days of old. Babel is truly here and alive. Babel = confusion ! I do wonder why after trying so hard to get to the moon why they have not gone back ??? They have a space station up there I wonder what the world would do if Iran or China shot that baby down?
We now have all the weapons on the table for a major conflict some think a war others think world war and yet others Armageddon ? Me I think there will be a "major" calm before the storm like world peace and time will tell us but I see yesterday where the North Koreans are trying to get out of their country and find a place to hide and there millions trying to get into the USA and that says something about our brothers in the UN :D
Isaac the Saxon

Shoot man, we used to use those walkie talkies and had loads of fun around the 'hood back in Jersey when I was kid. not to mention some of kind of short wave radio or something my old man had, could listen in to Ships around the globe, was pretty cool. I consider our trip to the moon to be a remarkable feat, especially for the time period, But I have no doubt we've been then more than a couple of times.

But the hard part is the rocket launch! Not like starting up your car. So you believe in rocket launches and the existence of technology needed to perform that little trick. OK, that’s a start. Now if we could place tons of gear in earth orbit, then why not go to the moon? This isn’t easy, but not any harder than launching skyscraper sized rockets into orbit. But lets focus now on faking the other half of the mission.


Yes and no. I was merely describing the overwhelming range of those who are documented in their belief that we went to the moon. Aboriginies/Tom Hanks was a indeed a jest based on popular movies. However there were many who witnessed these events through various instruments, including their own eyes through high powered telescopes. Today even amateur astronomers photograph the shuttle, space station, etc. in space with surprising clarity using low cost equipment.


Convincing the public or Tom Hanks is one thing. Convincing the Russians would be another. If we had of faked it, they would have used that in their propaganda big time. Heh, even if we didn’t fake it, they would dispute our claim if there was event a remote possibility to dispute it. But I bet we documented the crap out of that mission, knowing that the Russians might dispute our claim.

One thing is for sure, the undisputable evidence is right above our heads. All those footprints and rover tracks are sitting there just as the day they were made. A good enough telescope should be able to pick up some debris or tracks, but I doubt NASA will use the Hubble to verify what they already know as fact.


Economics and Politics would be a good answer. However I think it is because “need is the mother of invention” and we don’t need to go there anymore. Back then we had to in a cold war race with the Soviets. Once we won, that battle of the war was over.


Who?

Oh I love a good conspiracy theory too, for entertainment purposes…

You high jacked my thread
 

The moon is made of cheese and there is no man in the moon :D

Sorry about jackin your thread there, Isaac...I just couldnt let this go unchallenged! Cheese eh? Ya might be on to somethin there!;)

"NeverAStraightAnswer"...thats what NASA stands for these days. Nasa has this annoying habit of airbrushing inconvenient things out of the photos that they release for public consumption. Supposedly, Nasa's charter states that they will firmly adhere to the truth and resist attempts by the U.S. govt to influence, bias, or subvert it's findings. In reality, the agency operates contrary to their own mission statement. Biting the hand that feeds you is never a good idea, is it?

Ok, ok the moon !
 

They say there is a lot of very high dollar metals on the moon and if they could just get them back here but that one trip up there with the golf ball and the flag and then no more trips and the Russians do not want to go and even China does not want to go :rolleyes: I was just watching UFOs in Scotland and this one area deemed the UFO triangle sees more than any place know of on earth. Maybe they are not minding there P's and Q's and old Jimmy Beam is talking for them but there was a bunch of footage and people telling there stories. Ya got to wonder what is cooking in area 51 I am sure rhertz could shed some light on that :D 911 inside job well I have seen that email where the rocket slams the Pentagon but now days the net is a hard thing to trust I am not sure about that one. I do not still have it but if I can find it I will post it later.
Isaac

911 A Big hoax at the pentagon
 

o.k. anyone who knows me, knows I don't fall for conspiracy theories very easily.. I don't believe Oswald acted alone.. i do believe we landed on the moon.. But the different stories I've heard about what happened at the Pentagon on 9-11 has always bothered me just a bit..
here's a brief video on the subject..



and here is another, all-be-it slower paced description of the same things..

hmmm, well how about those Mars rovers! Now there's a couple of pieces of fine engineering! Anyone think those are fakes? Are both of them still going? If so, they should be on a Energizer commercial. They keep going and going and going.

O.k. so I'm gonna a bit crazy here.. here's another video..

Lunar Legacy Episode 1, Part 1 (did we land on the moon)




and Lunar Legacy Episode 1, Part 2 (did we land on the moon)

Tomorrow is TGIF.. can't wait.. hoping to get a chance to relax and finish my recovery from the bug from HELL!!! no drinkin' this weekend.. UGHH :)

The Moon of BUST !!!

Given the government's scandalous track record of illegal/unethical actions/statements, I believe the pertinent questions here are 1. COULD they be faked? and 2. What is the probablility that they ARE fakes? Obviously, it would be easier and cheaper to shoot the whole thing on a sound stage, lie to the public, and divert the funds towards some quasilegal black project or slush fund, or even funnel the money into some offshore account.

What is real and what is not real that is the question ?
 

Jim Morrison, Jimmy Hendrix and Janice Joplin and maybe even John Lennon ?
Oh yes and Princess Di could the government had a hand in their death ? With the advent of the world wide web and photo shop and many other programs is difficult to tell which is real and which ones are not. Just because your paranoid does not mean they are not after you :D
Isaac

Jim Morrison and Janice Joplin were victims of their own demise. Jimmy Hendrix was young and got caught up in the hype and wasn't mature enough to handle his situation. And John Lennon was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And Stevie Ray Vaugan should have never gotten on that Helicopter.
And Jerry Garcia didn't know when to say when. Kurt Cobain, simply had issues.
And Keith Richards has been a member of the walking dead for 40 years, but DAMN can he play the guitar.

Did global warming cause the snow for the Saints ?
 

We need to ask Kathy Blanco what she thinks about this problem. If only the Seahawks had done their job that game would have been in the dome and the out come much different :D
Isaac

1. We landed on the moon several times in the 60s and 0s.
2. Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK all by himself
3. The Pentagon on 9/11/2001 was struck by a commercial aircraft

If you believe any of the above are incorrect then you are a crackpot.

If you believe any of the above are incorrect then you are a crackpot
 

Is that air you think your breathing ?

Here's my two cents. I think there is considerable evidence pointing toward much dishonesty in the government's story about 9-11.

I think we did land on the moon, but the conspiracy theory is a moot point now because we certainly have the technology now.

Actually, it was 6 landings out of 7 attempts. Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17. Ask me any Mercury, Gemini, or Apollo question whatsoever. This subject is my hobby. I am like a junior Tom Hanks without the nice hair. :D

There is no credible evidence whatsoever that anything other than American Airlines Flight 77 damaged the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

Actually, all of evidence that shows that it WAS Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon is becoming less credible too. Many eye witness accounts say it was a missile. Flight control said there was a military aircraft in the area at that time. Much of the expected wreckage was missing from the scene and some mysterious unidentified wreckage WAS on scene. It's all just too suspicious.

All of the wreckage was there and there was no "mysterious unidentified wreckage" at the site, just pieces of 757, people, and Pentagon. There have been no eyewitnesses say it was a missile.

>Flight control said there was a military aircraft in the area at that time.

1. "In the area?" 100 yards? 100 miles? What is "in the area?

2. The Pentagon is next to out nation's capitol, and about 20 different military installations with runways. Of course there was a military aircraft "in the area."

It's not even slightly suspicious.

Believe you me, I'm not one for getting into too many conspiracy theories..
But there's certainly things about that Pentagon hit that I just find odd. to say the least.

For the one, the fact that there's not a single decent video of what happened. Other than some really lame Pentagon security camera that catches all of like 1/2 a second of it before it hits. And you can't even see what it was that hit the building in that video.

There isn't any good video of the Japanese attack on Pearl harbor, either. There isn't video of most anything that happens in the universe.

There isn't any good video of the Japanese attack on Pearl harbor
 

FYI Pearl harbor did not happen in 2001 !! There is a camera on just about everything these days and I would think that government buildings would be a mecca of cameras. So with that said where are the videos of that plane hitting the building ?
Isaac

Well, there is so video of Pearl Harbor being attacked. I've seen plenty.
There's video from D-Day, Videos of Nazi Concentration camps.
There's multiple videos of the planes crashing into the twin towers..

And so the story goes, there's a few gas - station type video cameras that pointed towards the Pentagon, and apparently agents were there within' a very short time to REMOVE that video. ... so the story goes.

If they left the video alone, the public would accuse them of being lax and incompetent for not recovering such possible evidence. If they REMOVE the video, then its a government coverup....

My opinion as to why we haven't seen more video of the pentagon being hit is that there is none. What do you want them to do, release a tape showing nothing? Maybe as it turns out, there is nothing to show. They could release a animation or artists rendering, which I think I did see.