"It's already becoming stabilized" o.k. great, so bring the boys home, what's the problem ?????
apparently I 'got that'....

Hey, I agree, lets go after the "islamic terrorist" blow them up.. burn them, carpet bomb them.. I got no freakin' problem with that.. taking over a country and parking our troops in it, is another freakin' thing ALL TOGETHER. but apparently YOU don't GET THAT.

Did I say it was Bush's fault they hate us.. nope, never did. I've been right here buddy. watchin' everyone get fed this bull****.. go into the likes of Afghanistan, take out the the Taliban, take out Al Quada, three cheers for that.. I GET THAT... however, they weren't in Iraq (they are 'now').. but my, what a great war it's been.. who you suppose is going to PAY for this ongoing cluster ??

you know when Bush ran for President the first time around, he stated that we had to GET OUT of the Nation Building business.. cause it causes way more problems than it's worth. but damn if we didn't go head long into it..
where do you think the money is going to come from to pay for this **** ??

Answer me this one question.. if it's all about the WAR ON TERROR.. why did we go into Iraq in the FIRST PLACE. ?

Who decided to spend my Tax dollars on this war in Iraq ? Congress sure didn't vote on it, didn't declare war.. where was the eminent danger in Iraq ? I understood Afghanistan.. THERE THEY ARE, Bin Laden and his group are there, connections to 9-11 GO KILL THEM.. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I say we take off. Nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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This is like beating a dead horse:laugh::laugh:
Are you the ONLY one that still doesn't know why we went into Iraq? There werent terrorists already in Iraq? Can't you come up with something better than that? That is really pathetic-I'm beginning to question your sincerity, are these really your views?

Just trying to get some answers out of you.. have not received them.. other than to hear the "Let them win" sound byte out of you.

If you think that region of the world is ever going to be stabilized.. you haven't been paying attention to your world history.

Quit beatin around the Bush and answer the question, Vix.

What question? I've answered everything you've thrown at me, at least once. If not on this thread, on one of the other ronpaul threads:rolleyes: Are you still going with the"blood money for oil" theory?:laugh: "let them win"? what is that? Y'all sound like Charlie Brown's teacher: blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah......good luck with that-

WWBD ??? What would Bruce do ?? I do not understand why the worry over our tax dollars that we will never get back that is if we paid them in the first place. This run from the world and hide while they build up more power and land is not the way to go. Pull all our troops out and take our ball and go home. Sounds nice if it would work :nono: I think this issue will hurt RP even if all his other ideas sound good. Tis the season for political debate.

Don't touch my gun Chuck :D

I'm sure Chuck could still kick my a$$. Certain of it. But there comes a point you know. Like whenever they'd trot out Dick Clark in the later years and still have to say the obligatory "America's Oldest Teenager"and "wow Dick, you look great!"... when he obviously... wasn't. Nothin' against good ol' Dick mind you... just talking about how some things get stuck in a meme.

now a Huck/Chuck - Paul/hulk hogan team tag cage match... I'd watch that and would probably be more telling than the debates. I mean really - couldn't be more rehearsed or staged than the debates... so...

You have to remember that Chuck Norris is the real deal. A TRUE martrial arts Master, who even trained under Bruce Lee. I know we're used to seeing him in movies and tv- but make no mistake: He is a BAD MAN. He faught competetively for years and holds like 7 championship titles, back in the 60's and 70's that type of fighting was kinda underground. People with that level of skill do not lose it with age. I dont know how old Arnold Shwarzzeneger(???) is, but I bet he could still rip your limbs off!:laugh::laugh:

CNN POLL: SOUTH CAROLINA

Huckabee 24%
Thompson 17%
Giuliani 16%
Romney 16%
McCain 13%
Paul 11%

Season's Greetings from the Ron Paul Family



TGIF!!!

Yeah, Chuck was a badass in his day, but have ya seen him lately? Looks like somebody's grandpa, not that he couldnt still kick my ass. That TV show he had was unwatchable though. But you can get this cool book...

...http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ima...283155&s=books

For some reason my maid LOVES "Walker, Texas Ranger." She never misses it during the day, that's when she does her ironing so she can watch it in our bedroom.

There was a case a few years ago...forget the details, but I think it involved a standoff between the authorities and a rural family. The family were big fans of "Walker, Texas Ranger" and asked Chuck Norris to personally intervene to resolve the situation, and HE DID!

As cool as Chuck is, he's nothin compared to Milla Jovovich, who is truly the "world's greatest human"...far superior to Chuck Norris!

Interesting...I thought she'd rather be watching her "stories" or Jerry Springer.:laugh:

Never did the Chuck Norris thing. Got to like anybody that is pro GOP. I have talk to many folks about Dr. Paul. Some I thought would like him that did not and other I thought would not like him that did? I have covered most of his web site and a few youtubes. Jury is still out with me :confused:

Ron Paul speaks out.

Repeat After Me: "Ron Paul
Is NOT Electable!"

Link to full article

(The Nation) Move over John Kerry, the best single-day primary fundraising record no longer belongs to the prodigious money-collecting machine of the man who won the 2004 nomination.

Ron Paul is now the champ.

Kerry collected $5.7 million on one day in 2004.

Paul collected more than $6 million Sunday. And, unlike Kerry who raised his money from big donors on the day after he won the key primaries that secured him the Democratic nod, Paul is raising his money when it could actually help his quest for the Republican nomination.

Where the senator from Massachusetts was the insider collecting money from donors to rival candidates who now wanted to get on board with his already successful campaign, the congressman from Texas is a classic insurgent who is still dismissed by party leaders and media elites.

And Paul is continuing to raise money - largely small contributions from individuals who in many cases have never before given money to a campaign - at a remarkable rate.

The congressman's campaign is dramatically exceeding fundraising expectations in the current quarter. The campaign's unreasonable goal of $12 million has been exceeded by more than 50 percent already and there is every reason to believe that Paul will almost certainly finish the quarter with more than $20 million raised.

Paul could well end up raising more than any of the other Republican contenders and providing the only serious competition for Democratic money leaders Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

But what is really fascinating about Paul's enormous haul of December 16 - in an effort organized by music promoter Trevor Lyman, a Paul enthusiast with no previous political experience - is that it drew 24,940 new donors to the campaign in a single day.
What's the trick?

Lyman, who raised more than $4.3 million for Paul on a single day in November, times his "money bomb" appeals to days that have deep historical resonance for those who fancy themselves insurgents against the current order.

The November appeal came on November 5, the anniversary of attempt by Guy Fawkes to blow up the Houses of Parliament in London.

Sunday's appeal was timed to coincide with the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party.

Paul now has enough money to be a serious presence in the caucuses and primaries through the winter - he's currently tied with John McCain in Iowa and posting credible numbers in New Hampshire - and into the spring.

That means that Lyman may have an opportunity to make an appeal on April 19, the anniversary of "the shot heard round the world" skirmishes at Lexington and Concord that anticipated the American Revolution.

Paul's campaign refers to itself as "The Ron Paul Revolution" and there can be no doubt any longer that it is revolutionizing the way in which grassroots fundraising plays out in American presidential campaigns. Now, the question is whether Paul's crusade can revolutionize the campaign game itself by using the money to upset the political order. Even those who do not share his "Old Right" libertarian views - which tend to be throwbacks to the stay-out-of-trouble abroad and keep-government-small at home positions espoused by Republican Senator Robert Taft in the 1940s and 1950s - can and should be encouraged by the fact that a candidate is breaking the rules and getting a resounding response from grassroots donors.

If Republican primary voters follow - even in reasonable numbers - then Ron Paul's campaign really will be a revolution. And he will be the 2008 candidate who is remembered for doing something that can matter more than winning a party nomination or a November election, and that is changing the politics of a country that needs every new approach to altering a corrupt and dysfunctional status quo.


By John Nichols
Reprinted with permission from the The Nation.

John Kerry lost :D

There are those among us who wont vote for Dr. Paul because he wants to bring our armed forces home. That single issue is enough reason for some, in their ignorance, to turn their backs on freedom and liberty and to willingly continue to accept the status quo of increasing governmental intrusion into our lives, erosion of our personal freedoms, the devaluation of our currency, out-of-control taxation and spending and the redistribution of wealth for the purposes of creating a socialist state, soon to be a socialist union with our socialist neighbors north and south. You know who you are, and so do we. I've been worried about those misguided folks, and I still am, but not nearly as much as I was. Because even though some of them are beyond reach, it's still not too late for the rest to "see the light" and join our revolution...become a part of something that's bigger than we are, a movement so inspiring and powerful that the cancer that is voter apathy is steadily being beaten into remission. Hope where there was once only despair.

Nothing like religion and politics to get the heart beating ! :peace:

Mrs Hertz and I have never had a maid, but my parents did while I was growing up. Our maid and I loved to watch "Mannix" and "Cannon" together. And Hawaii-Five-O... I would eat Pepperidge Farms Blueberry turnovers.. We had lots of fun..

rhertz I am gald you have come out ! :laugh::laugh: I had been wondering about this :confused:

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maybe this guy should run for President at least he has curb appeal :D

Or maybe this guy ??

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I know you were kidding, but I'm me so:

Jack Lord is dead and Sean Connery was born in Scotland, so neither can be President of the US.

Yes you are you :laugh::laugh::laugh: We need you JP to be the guiding light on the board to hard facts. You might be related to Spock do you have funny ears ?? :D

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Same hair :rotflol: Spock would always stick to facts with no laughs. JP it is ok we need people like you. Who are you voting for JP ?? By the way Spock could not be president he is a Vulcan :laugh:

Same hair? His is black, mine is brown. His is straight down, mine is parted on the left. He has sideburns, I don't.

Oh, I don't know joe.. ..

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I watched the debate and I was shocked at how frivolous Romney and Guiliani are in terms of taking issues seriously. They always seem to be taking stabs at each other (or Fred) and act like a couple of high school kids cracking jokes. I don't know how anybody can take any of these candidates seriously when so much is at stake.

I was raised a Republican in a Republican home. My family was very conservative and professional. I was private schooled and college educated. I voted for Bush when I felt he was a good candidate. But I feel saddened about the state of the political system in this country. It has become so polarized and for once in my life I've actually felt alienated by both parties. I'm no longer a supporter of this "neocon" regime and spent a lot of time educating myself about the policies of Ron Paul.

One of the most important issues that I support Ron Paul is the non-interventionist foreign policy. I own a business with a partner in Ireland and have friends who live in Australia, Spain and England. I've become embarrassed of our political actions in Iraq and our "empire building" tradition. Especially when our domestic problems are mounting and our dollar is crumbling. Which is the second major reason why I'm a Paul supporter. I feel our economic situation is dire and I've actually come to an agreement with my partner in Ireland to start charging in Euros for our goods since the American dollar is so weak.

The first sign of the fall of an "empire" is the weakening of the currency. Our American empire supports over 700 military bases worldwide and costs us billions of dollars a year to maintain. Meanwhile, we are stuck borrowing from the Chinese to finance our needs.

What has our country come to? :confused:

If you are ashamed of this country and currency maybe time for you to move to the UK. They are the cut bait and run crowd and I am sure you will fit right in. This country will never fall !!! It maybe time for a culling away of those who do not support this country. By the way Bush is not running for president this time FYI :D It does seem that RP supporters are very aggressive with the attacks I do not see this helping Dr. Paul :confused: Oh and welcome to the board :D

I don't wish to move to the UK because I'm an American....and proud of it. That is why I'm politically active.

It's too bad that many have forgotten the ideals upon which this country was founded. Our government is supposed to protect the republic and citizens' civil liberties -- not empire build.

Are you satisfied with the job our current administration is doing? I'd be interested in hearing your viewpoints?

What are your thoughts about the state of the economy and the strength of the American dollar?

Seems to me, the economy is doing pretty well. Although certain media outlets would have you think differently, None of my friends or family is "struggling", and neither am I. Sure some people are, but that will ALWAYS be the case. All around me I see entire neighborhoods being built, and homes sold as fast as they can throw em up. Unemployment is down,(at least around here). Overall, I'd say our country is in Excellent shape. Especially when you compare America to ANY other country.
Now tell us how bad it really is...... :peace:

Yes I like President Bush and think RP is not good for foreign policy. My business is doing great and I do not have to slam America to make me feel better. Currency changes all the time. You might get hurt dealing with the UK. I did not say I would never vote for him but I can not see him making it to the main election. Good luck you and your "group" have a up hill climb.

On other issues:

_Paul railed against the government's anti-drug policy, complaining that federal law overrules state laws that permit medicinal use of marijuana for pain or other symptoms of debilitating illnesses such as cancer, multiple sclerosis and other diseases. "This war on drugs is totally out of control. If you want to regulate cigarettes and alcohol and drugs, it should be at the state level," he said.

_Paul said he wants to eliminate foreign aid to Israel and other nations. "Why make Israel so dependent?" he asked. "They can't defend their borders without coming to us."

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Is it that bad ? I do not think so. I do believe the media would have us think the sky is falling. I will vote for RP if he gets nominated by the GOP to be there man. I still find his foreign policy disturbing.

Ron Paul won't rule out third-party run
Paul — who has set a torrid fundraising pace despite trailing in the polls — outlined many of the tenets of his presidential campaign, saying he would abolish the IRS, remove U.S. troops from bases around the world and cut off foreign aid to Israel and other Middle Eastern nations.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7539.html