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Isaac-Saxxon 10-12-2006 07:58 AM

Easter (Astarte) is of pagan orgins.
 
Christ became our Passover when he when he was crucified and defeated
death with his resurrection ! All the blood sacrifices of the Old Testament
where stopped. It was the blood of the lamb that saved the Hebrews in
the exodus and it was the Blood of the Lamb on the cross that open the
door to all of Gods children to eternal life. With that said it is not the eggs
or bunnies or sun worship for little children that is wrong it is placing these
things in our houses of worship in the place of Christ that is such a abomination to our Lord.

EASTER

pascha NT:3957 mistranslated "Easter" in Acts 12:4 , KJV, denotes the Passover (RV).
The phrase "after the Passover" signifies after the whole festival was at an end. The term
"Easter" is not of Christian origin. It is another form of Astarte, one of the titles of the
Chaldean goddess, the queen of heaven. The festival of Pasch held by Christians in post-
apostolic times was a continuation of the Jewish feast, but was not instituted by Christ, nor
was it connected with Lent. From this Pasch the pagan festival of "Easter" was quite distinct
and was introduced into the apostate Western religion, as part of the attempt to adapt pagan
festivals to Christianity. See PASSOVER.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words )

now read what God had to say about the queen of heaven and those whom worship
the queen of heaven in Gods house of worship.

Jeremiah 44
http://www.carm.org/kjv/Jer/Jer_44.htm

Isaac-Saxxon

Bob 10-12-2006 08:35 AM

When is Easter
 
O.k. so when is Easter, Good Friday and Mardi Gras, and how do they determine the dates on these events ??

Isaac-Saxxon 10-12-2006 09:51 AM

Vernal Equinox
 
The Vernal Equinox was when they celebrated Easter. Eastre was the pagan
goddess of fertility. Bunnies and rolling of eggs . The sunrise services that
are done are also a left over of Babylon Sun worship. These are all part
of Baal worship. There some very interesting facts to be found in a study
of the Assyrian Tablets that where unearthed. I have a link for anybody
that would like to take look a very interesting study that agrees with the Bible.

http://www.asis.com/~stag/tablets.html

Enjoy,
Isaac-Saxxon

joepole 10-12-2006 10:32 AM

Holidays
 
Most modern Christian holidays are when they are because they were trying to overwrite other religions. Does the Bible make any mention of Jesus being born on December 25th? Of Easter even being during the Spring?

Isaac-Saxxon 10-12-2006 10:48 AM

Christ birthday
 
The Bible does thru much study tell us that Christ birthday is September 29th
and He began to dwell with man in December ! Religion is man made and
Christianity is of Christ. Now Easter is not in the original manuscripts and
we should take communion at true Passover. This is not anti Christian but
what Christianity is all about.

Tomoshibi 12-19-2006 11:26 PM

Original Meaning
 
::POST WAS REMOVED::

I removed this post because it was based on several points I made in confusion. See my first post on page 2 for the correct information.

Isaac-Saxxon 12-20-2006 06:42 AM

Sun God, Bel, or Bal, or Baal
 
Bel and the Dragon. They go hand in hand. The bunnies and eggs are in the church in the "place" of Passover. Christ became our Passover and this is the very thing that makes God "L" very unhappy with the pagan things in the Christian Church.
Isaac

Snow Man 12-20-2006 02:30 PM

This is America and freedom of religion is how we got here
 
Freedom to be any religion be it Christian, Jew, Pagan or any other religion and when one try's to put the others down to build themselves up it is wrong.Let each stand on its on merits not the slash and burn from others.
Snow Man :cool:

Tomoshibi 12-20-2006 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
Bel and the Dragon. They go hand in hand. The bunnies and eggs are in the church in the "place" of Passover. Christ became our Passover and this is the very thing that makes God "L" very unhappy with the pagan things in the Christian Church.
Isaac

You lost me there. What dragon are you referring to?

It is unusual for you to say that having bunnies and eggs in church is a Pagan thing and that it makes God unhappy. By Christian standards, the bunnies and eggs are creations of God as well. I dare not say that your beliefs are wrong. However, God surely wouldn't be unhappy that we have chosen to adopt a bit of harmless frivolity with other creations of his. When God said for us to honor our neighbors, I am certain he wasn't merely referring to the guy who lives next door. He wanted us to acknowledge all of our neighboring lifeforms by every sense of the word. Any other detail is unimportant (i.e. race, age, gender, religion, or who the last people to honor your neighbor was).

If I am understanding you correctly, I gather that any tradition that was once a Pagan rite or routine is surely wrong in the eyes of God. I take no offense one way or the other, but is this what you are implying?

Isaac-Saxxon 12-21-2006 01:26 PM

You lost me there. What dragon are you referring to?
 
Dear Tomoshibi, I feel like I know just after three post :rolleyes: You sound well versed in being a pagan and proud of it. If you would like to know about "The Story of Bel and the Dragon" it can be found on page 363 of the "Apocrypha" by Edgar J. Goodspeed along with many other great writings.These are books not canonized in the King James Bible. Makes for a great read and very spiritual. Who was "that old Dragon" is this the man "Ish" that deceived the whole world ?
Isaac-Saxxon

Question ? Is there a special meaning to your Avatar name "Tomoshib" ? I tried and I did come up with some ideas as to what it means but nothing for sure.

Tomoshibi 12-21-2006 04:25 PM

Actually, Tomoshibi is a Japanese word meaning "light." I used this as the last name of a fictional character I once wrote about.

Isaac-Saxxon 12-22-2006 11:48 AM

Japanese word meaning "light."
 
Do you do Japanese Maples ? Make that Light Maples :D
Isaac

Tomoshibi 12-22-2006 12:20 PM

No, I don't know anything about Japanese Maples, but I do like the Japanese sakura (cherry blossoms). My affiliation with the Japanese culture is mostly due to my anime fandom. I watch a lot of anime ever since I was a kid and I study Japanese sometimes.

Isaac-Saxxon 12-22-2006 01:02 PM

I study Japanese sometimes
 
I think everybody is turning Japanese :p You sure got the knack of posting quick. Must have been that video clip. Welcome to SB Live Grasshopper !
Weed Eater :D

Bob 12-22-2006 04:28 PM

Judging by some of the topics of 'Today's Posts' it looks like this forum is going Pagan ??? what's up with that.

:eek:

Tomoshibi 12-22-2006 04:55 PM

The forum isn't going Pagan as a whole, but I did drop one Pagan-oriented thread in the religious section here. Other than that, there is just this thread that is discussing Easter and it's historical significance.

However, I did notice something on my previous post on this topic. I got my holidays a little crossed. Beltane isn't our equivalent of Easter. Ostara is the Pagan Easter. Sorry for the confusion. Here is a small cut from Lady Bridget's article on this holiday. This will sound a whole lot more sensible.

Quote:

Ostara, Eostre, Easter, Vernal Equinox, Spring Equinox, and First Day of Spring are all names for the same festival time. This is the day when the light and darkness are of equal length, and afterwards the days get longer. This occurs when the Sun enters Aries, which is on March 20th or 21st. This is the time when the light symbolically "triumphs over darkness", so it is no wonder that the Christian's put their Easter, wbere the God of Light triumphs over darkness and rises again, at this time of year. It has long been the time for Gods to return from the Underworld, or the darkness, as we shall see.

Agriculturally, this is the time in most of Europe and America when the seeds are sown and planted in the ground. This corresponds in Wicca also to the planting of new ideas, new goals for the coming year, new businesses or new activities to be started.

This holiday is sacred to Eostre, Anglo-Saxon Goddess of Spring, also known as Ostre. Sacred to Her are eggs, and white rabbits. There is a legend in which a white rabbit fell in love with her, and to prove his love he laid colored eggs for her everyday. (Eggs and white rabbits, sound familiar anyone?) The white rabbit symbolizes the transformation of innocence, and constant fertility. The eggs symbolize new life, and also rebirth. In ancient times, when hens were not domesticated, it was necessary to climb trees and hunt for these eggs, no doubt a welcome treat after the dreary winter fare. Thus we may have the origination of the egg hunt so many cultures still do today. Also, since the eggs are found in the woven nests of birds, which were the inspration for woven baskets, we can see the link between the ancient ways and our traditions today of putting the colored eggs into pretty woven baskets.

rhertz 12-22-2006 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob
Judging by some of the topics of 'Today's Posts' it looks like this forum is going Pagan ??? what's up with that.

God I hope not. I kinda wish Isaac didn't mention the "P" word. It's not even Easter, it's Christmas! Almost as bad as discussing evolution.

Merry Christmas everyone! And don't give me any crap about Christmas trees or whatever having Pagan origins... (from either side of the equation) Things are whatever you want to make of them sometimes. Truth is relative to what we choose to believe. :D

Isaac-Saxxon 04-02-2007 08:35 AM

mention the "P" word (Pagan)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhertz
God I hope not. I kinda wish Isaac didn't mention the "P" word. It's not even Easter, it's Christmas! Almost as bad as discussing evolution.

Merry Christmas everyone! And don't give me any crap about Christmas trees or whatever having Pagan origins... (from either side of the equation) Things are whatever you want to make of them sometimes. Truth is relative to what we choose to believe. :D

Well folks it is that time of year to get the bunnies and eggs out and bring them in to the church. Anime do you get a easter basket each year :rolleyes:
Isaac

AnimeSpirit 04-02-2007 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
Well folks it is that time of year to get the bunnies and eggs out and bring them in to the church. Anime do you get a easter basket each year :rolleyes:
Isaac

Not usually. I help with such events, but I usually don't take part myself. The holiday antics are more for children these days.

BrianSmashR 04-02-2007 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
Well folks it is that time of year to get the bunnies and eggs out and bring them in to the church. Anime do you get a easter basket each year :rolleyes:

I looked for some chocolate crosses at the store but they didn't have any. It looks like more eggs and bunnies again this year in my house. Which gives me an idea for a new store. Easter Chocolates for Christians! We could offer chocolate crucifictions. The kids could fight over who gets to bite off Jesus's head. Maybe offer Lifesaver Bibles with Genesis first as butterscotch.

http://www.re-location.org.uk/alaunch70.jpg

I think you are just jealous that you don't get to eat bunnies and eggs and you really want to. I know you want to. They might be evil, but they taste so good.

Texasbelle 04-02-2007 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianSmashR
I looked for some chocolate crosses at the store but they didn't have any. It looks like more eggs and bunnies again this year in my house. Which gives me an idea for a new store. Easter Chocolates for Christians! We could offer chocolate crucifictions. The kids could fight over who gets to bite off Jesus's head. Maybe offer Lifesaver Bibles with Genesis first as butterscotch.

http://www.re-location.org.uk/alaunch70.jpg

I think you are just jealous that you don't get to eat bunnies and eggs and you really want to. I know you want to. They might be evil, but they taste so good.

Brain I am so sorry for you that you feel the need to say such things and make fun of a man who was willing to die for you. I hope that one day you will find him and come to know him in the same manner that myself, Isaac, Isabella, and others on this board have. It will be the greatest day of your life EVER!

Somebody asked "Is this board going Pagan?" I hope not, if it does...I'M GONE!

To whomever quoted the Bible as saying "Honor thy neighbor". It's actually "Love thy neighbor". Now you can interpret that many ways I suppose and Isaac can jump in here. I at this stage in my growth as a Christian understand it to mean that I am going to love you as another of God's creations. I do not have to accept you choosing to worship as a Pagan and I don't. It goes against everything written in God's word. I will love my fellow humans and pray for those not in God's will. I do not have to accept things they do not in God's will. It's really that simple. I can still be your friend and I will. I will have dinner with you, but I will try to lead you to a better way with prayer and by living by example. I have to "Honor" my father and mother, not you.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-02-2007 11:54 PM

Gooooooooooooooooo Texaxbelle
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texasbelle
Brain I am so sorry for you that you feel the need to say such things and make fun of a man who was willing to die for you. I hope that one day you will find him and come to know him in the same manner that myself, Isaac, Isabella, and others on this board have. It will be the greatest day of your life EVER!

Somebody asked "Is this board going Pagan?" I hope not, if it does...I'M GONE!

To whomever quoted the Bible as saying "Honor thy neighbor". It's actually "Love thy neighbor". Now you can interpret that many ways I suppose and Isaac can jump in here. I at this stage in my growth as a Christian understand it to mean that I am going to love you as another of God's creations. I do not have to accept you choosing to worship as a Pagan and I don't. It goes against everything written in God's word. I will love my fellow humans and pray for those not in God's will. I do not have to accept things they do not in God's will. It's really that simple. I can still be your friend and I will. I will have dinner with you, but I will try to lead you to a better way with prayer and by living by example. I have to "Honor" my father and mother, not you.

I could not agree more. I do not think that this board is going pagan even though there are a few on the board and we all know who you pagans are but they too are nice folks just on the wrong thread in life.
Isaac

AnimeSpirit 04-03-2007 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texasbelle
Somebody asked "Is this board going Pagan?" I hope not, if it does...I'M GONE!

I do not have to accept you choosing to worship as a Pagan and I don't. It goes against everything written in God's word. I will love my fellow humans and pray for those not in God's will. I do not have to accept things they do not in God's will. It's really that simple. I can still be your friend and I will. I will have dinner with you, but I will try to lead you to a better way with prayer and by living by example. I have to "Honor" my father and mother, not you.

That's a shame, really, Tbelle. Isaac is right. There are some Pagans on this board as well and they have so far not made any implications against Christianity.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-03-2007 07:03 AM

Anime do not take it personal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
That's a shame, really, Tbelle. Isaac is right. There are some Pagans on this board as well and they have so far not made any implications against Christianity.

There are many different people and just as many different religions or those that do not have any religion on this site. This thread is for those who call themselves Christian and practice pagan rituals in the place of Passover. Tbelle do not let that pesudo Brain bother you I think he is just kidding because I posted to this thread. Just how many of you avatars do the bunny and egg thing and then get up and worship the sun ?
Isaac

Texasbelle 04-03-2007 08:12 AM

Anime- I hope I did not offend you. I certainly don't mean too, but I have to answer to my God and conscience. If this board were to be devoted to and full of Pagans, I in good conscience could not participate. Since it is a diverse board, I am more than happy to and hope that I will have a positive influence on anyone reading my posts, thoughts, and opinions.

As for Brain, I will continue to pray. Really, that's about all you can do with him.

AnimeSpirit 04-03-2007 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texasbelle
Anime- I hope I did not offend you. I certainly don't mean too, but I have to answer to my God and conscience. If this board were to be devoted to and full of Pagans, I in good conscience could not participate. Since it is a diverse board, I am more than happy to and hope that I will have a positive influence on anyone reading my posts, thoughts, and opinions.
As for Brain, I will continue to pray. Really, that's about all you can do with him.

No, you didn't offend me. However, you can respect other religions and still devote yourself to your own. It's a question of angle in your prayers. Do you pray that all non-Christians will become Christians or do you just pray for their happiness?

By the by, Isaac is right. The Brain with the goofy animated avatar is not likely to be the original BrainSmashR.

Texasbelle 04-03-2007 08:46 AM

I don't care which Brain he is, his remarks are offensive in all sorts of ways.

As a Christian, I pray for God's will in your life, I pray for you to be happy, healthy, and have all the joy God desires for you. I also pray that you will come to know him.

Try it, you'll like it!

Isaac-Saxxon 04-03-2007 09:22 AM

Good post Tbelle
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texasbelle
I don't care which Brain he is, his remarks are offensive in all sorts of ways.

As a Christian, I pray for God's will in your life, I pray for you to be happy, healthy, and have all the joy God desires for you. I also pray that you will come to know him.

Try it, you'll like it!

Dare to make a stand !!! Tbelle do you have all your eggs in the "right" basket ? Any bunnies ? Will you get up Sunday morning and face the rising sun ? Oh yea tis the season of the locust from May thru Sept. :confused:
Isaac

AnimeSpirit 04-03-2007 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texasbelle
As a Christian, I pray for God's will in your life, I pray for you to be happy, healthy, and have all the joy God desires for you. I also pray that you will come to know him.

Try it, you'll like it!

You know, it's a funny question with a twist that I can't help but ponder. If you pray for God's will in my life, would your God respond or mine? I honestly don't know that one. :freaky:

I have tried it, actually, and I liked it for a time. When I was a kid and throughout much of my teen years, I was a devout Christian. I converted later when I decided Paganism was my truth. This was an educated decision on my part as I have had a very enlightening comparison in my experiences of the two. Pagans believe in God as well (and the Goddess), so I've long since come to know Him, but probably not the way you've come to know him yourself.

Again, I have nothing against Christianity. I didn't leave the religion because of any problems I had with it. It just wasn't for me. This is a moot point though, because Christians, in fact, have much in common with Pagans and many never realize it. The lifestyle isn't any different than normal. Many of the holidays we all celebrate have Pagan-related origins, like the one we're discussing here.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-03-2007 07:20 PM

How could you say such a thing ??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianSmashR
I looked for some chocolate crosses at the store but they didn't have any. It looks like more eggs and bunnies again this year in my house. Which gives me an idea for a new store. Easter Chocolates for Christians! We could offer chocolate crucifictions. The kids could fight over who gets to bite off Jesus's head. Maybe offer Lifesaver Bibles with Genesis first as butterscotch.

http://www.re-location.org.uk/alaunch70.jpg

I think you are just jealous that you don't get to eat bunnies and eggs and you really want to. I know you want to. They might be evil, but they taste so good.

I am glad I did not make that post. Wow ! Do you do voodoo dolls too ? I sure hope you do not choke on that chocolate in your mouth :nono: I am sure mother Tbelle will have some more words of wisdom for you before the night is over :D :D Hope you can sleep tonight after that post :mad:
Isaac the Saxxon

Texasbelle 04-03-2007 09:48 PM

Mother Belle doesn't have anything else to say to Brain Jr. I am quite sure that he got my point the first time and it won't happen again son will it?

There are times when people do things that just leaving you scratching your head and saying to yourself "What were they thinking?". This was one of those times. Now we have to move on past Brain Jr.'s moment of insanity.

LateNight 04-03-2007 11:53 PM

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Now we have to move on past Brain Jr.'s moment of insanity.


LOL, I vote that we rehash this bit of insanity until the cows come home, and see if we can make this the NUMBER ONE THREAD.

ARE YOU WITH ME !!???

Titus Pullo is with me !!

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Al Swearengen 04-04-2007 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
Pagans believe in God as well (and the Goddess), so I've long since come to know Him, but probably not the way you've come to know him yourself.

"God" being "The Prime Mover", and "Goddess" being "Mother Earth"...correct? Nothing wrong with Wicca. Always liked the Wiccan saying "An it harm none, do what thou wilt". "An" being an arcane version of "if".

Isaac-Saxxon 04-04-2007 07:18 AM

Do you have your eggs ready for the Queen of heaven ?
 
Time for those fertility rights to be celebrated Sunday morning as the sun worship begins. The queen of heaven in all her glory will save your soul from being turned into chocolate. They will have the egg roll on the white house lawn so if you leave now you can make it. Wake up Christian America and use your eyes for the first time :eek: I wonder if the pagans get mad about the Christians using one of there gods ? Anime what do you think ? I know Tbelle has all her eggs in a row :nono: :nono:
Isaac

AnimeSpirit 04-04-2007 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac-Saxxon
I wonder if the pagans get mad about the Christians using one of there gods ? Anime what do you think ? I know Tbelle has all her eggs in a row :nono: :nono:
Isaac

I can't speak for every Pagan in the world. However, traditionally speaking, those who practice the tradition that I do find it rather flattering to see others acknowledge our deities. I don't want to open a heated debate by saying this, but many modern holidays have Pagan origins as well as cooresponding Pagan deities.

Isaac-Saxxon 04-04-2007 08:59 AM

This is exactly my point Anime
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimeSpirit
I can't speak for every Pagan in the world. However, traditionally speaking, those who practice the tradition that I do find it rather flattering to see others acknowledge our deities. I don't want to open a heated debate by saying this, but many modern holidays have Pagan origins as well as cooresponding Pagan deities.

I could not agree more. Christians will not step up to the plate and separate the two. So called preachers in churches find it much easier to leave the pagan practices in the Christian churches and so the flock will follow :nono: The facts are all there and "TRADITION" takes the place of the Bible. What say you Sister Tbelle :confused: I could not think of a better post for my millennium post. We do not need preachers but real teachers that read the Word as it is written. Great thread :clap: :clap: :clap:
Isaac

AnimeSpirit 04-04-2007 09:07 AM

Congrads on making your 1,000th post! :D You're, by far, the busiest member on SBLive! Rep+

refugen3 04-04-2007 04:02 PM

Passsover vs easter
 
So if you observe God by observing Passover then you must continue with the Feast of unleavened bread? Right. Observing easter all these past years and then discovering that I may be wrong in my actions has completely rocked my world. As well as reading all these comments. Tell me how y'all deal with the "traditions" you may have been brought up with. My mother-in-law would have me tarred and feathered if I didn't attend the yearly easter get together:laugh:

Isaac-Saxxon 04-04-2007 04:14 PM

That is easy to deal with
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by refugen3
So if you observe God by observing Passover then you must continue with the Feast of unleavened bread? Right. Observing easter all these past years and then discovering that I may be wrong in my actions has completely rocked my world. As well as reading all these comments. Tell me how y'all deal with the "traditions" you may have been brought up with. My mother-in-law would have me tarred and feathered if I didn't attend the yearly easter get together:laugh:

Just quietly observe and let them have their fun. You know the truth and that is what matters. Maybe you should get mother-in-law to read this thread :laugh:
Isaac

refugen3 04-04-2007 04:41 PM

easy you say
 
I sure am glad Christ didn't just sit back and observe when He knew the truth! Of course, it would make my life quite a bit easier. Then that raises another question....
I think I will sit back this year untill I've studied up and become better balanced concerning all this. :D
Thanks for the response. You seem very active on this sight. Is that because you got rid of the TV? Sure does free up some time.


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